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We're going to talk about what is pride. Okay. But first, Haunt Cub sent us a message on
Mastodon. Love you guys, but you confused Priscilla with Tu Wong Fu, which is the lesser
movie in my opinion. Cheerleader and Paris is Burning are both worth watching.
So, I think he confirmed that we are no expert on movies.
Well, To Wong Fu is the one that was Wesley's Nights, Patrick Swayze and John Leguizamo.
That's the one that we got confused. So, yeah. I think they're both the same movie, just
different titles. I don't know. I'm probably completely off. So, I'm sure we'll get corrected,
which is okay.
Well, they probably are different movies.
They're both movies with different scripts, but it's the same concept.
Okay. Drag queens.
Heterosexual actors playing drag queens.
Okay.
I think.
Yeah. So.
We would have to watch them both, I guess, to compare.
Yeah. But he's recommending that we do watch Cheerleader and Paris is Burning.
And I think we decided that those were things that we wanted to watch.
I think so.
Okay. Well, here we go.
How did Pride start?
I don't know. I'm pretty sure you would probably be able to tell me.
Like Pride Parade or Pride Month?
So, Pride did not exist as a concept until gay people created it.
That's not true. You know that as well as I do.
Isn't Pride one of the seven deadly sins?
Yes. And do you know why Pride is in June and not in November?
No.
No?
Because Pride always goeth before the fall.
Oh, okay. Hmm.
I imagine everyone listening to this podcast already knows what Stonewall is.
I would hope so.
Do you know what Stonewall is?
Yes, I know what Stonewall is. Remember we talked about it?
Tell me about it.
No, I'm not going to be put on the gun like that.
It was a protest in New York City at Stonewall, which was a tavern owned by the mob.
And that was Stone Shakedown's own gay community.
And the police were doing shakedowns also.
But was it right back in the 70s or 60s?
Probably only the second or third time that any gay people had said,
we've had enough of this.
We've had enough, yeah. But it was in the 60s or 70s?
It was the 70s, wasn't it?
No, because the Pride stuff started in the 70s.
Okay. So, Stonewall was before then?
Yeah, it was probably a couple of years before.
I thought it was in the 70s, okay.
It was, well, let me say something.
There seems to be a lot of gay people who are sort of removing themselves from transgendered people.
Okay.
They're kind of saying, well, the Trump administration is going after trans people
and that doesn't affect me.
Because I'm not trans.
Well, it was drag queens that basically fought back at Stonewall.
Yeah.
We're in this together.
It's not good that...
Yes, all sexual minorities should be...
Sticking together.
Yes.
So, yeah, that's not good.
So don't send your trans friends under the bus.
No. Nope.
Do you know any trans people?
Well, you do.
I believe so.
We've actually celebrated Pride with a couple of them, haven't we?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
My co-worker's son's trans.
You've met him.
Mm-hmm.
I wasn't sure if you knew, if you remember him or not.
Mm-hmm.
So, good kid. Really good kid.
Mm-hmm.
So, it's a shame that 1% of the minority is being demonized.
And I think among heterosexuals, those who say,
I've never met a trans person, is not telling the truth.
They just don't know it.
Yeah, that's true.
There was a thing on TikTok I saw this week.
It was a trans, formerly female, now male,
and was mad because he was getting hit on by cisgendered...
Cis females.
Mm-hmm.
Because you have no idea that it was...
Never a female.
Looked very butch, very, you know, yeah, there was no, you know,
and was, like, trying to figure out how to not be hit on by cisgendered straight women.
So, because he's, you know, said masculine, lesbian, you know, this and that.
So, it was kind of cute.
Mm-hmm.
But an attractive man, very attractive man.
Mm-hmm.
So, okay.
So, Pride started at Stonewall then?
Well, it...
Well...
Well, in our terms.
Yes.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
You know what I meant.
Okay.
All right.
How do we celebrate Pride today?
In almost every major city, and certainly in every state of the country,
there is a Pride celebration of some kind.
Mm-hmm.
For the month.
So, I don't think anybody can say that it's not within driving distance.
Mm-hmm.
It's usually a parade.
It's usually a parade, usually a festival.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of bar events.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of drag queens.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of Leatherman, Cowboys.
Yeah, all types.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, but mostly with parades and parties and get-togethers and still proms.
They have proms, you know what I mean?
That's sort of a relatively new thing.
Is it?
Okay.
It was to give people who didn't get a chance to...
Go to prom the way they should have.
Be like yourself.
Yes.
Yeah.
That's true.
I mean, I went to prom acting straight.
The only two girls I ever dated was the one I took to the junior prom
and the one that I took to the senior prom.
Mm-hmm.
What was your idea of dating?
Well, we went to supper first.
Yeah.
So, that was the date.
No kissy?
No.
I wish everyone could see the look on your face when I ask.
When I ask you a question, you get so awkward and it's so cute.
It's icky.
So, yes, I'm an AK.
You're an AK?
What's that mean?
Never had sex with a woman.
Okay.
I thought you were going to say something different.
What did you call yourself the one time where you've never touched a vagina before and you think...
Gold star gay.
Gold star gay, yeah.
Ew.
God.
Oh, well.
All right.
Can I celebrate pride without being out?
I think so.
Of course you can.
I think anybody can celebrate pride for any reason.
I think.
And if you're not out, but you're spotted by somebody at the gay pride parade,
there's lots of heterosexuals there.
Yeah.
Especially the parade.
Oh, yeah.
Sometimes not the festival.
Oh, yeah.
Because most...
Most pride organizations have to pay for things somehow, so usually at the festival there's an entry charge.
Yeah.
Usually, you have to buy a button.
Buy a button, yeah.
And that button will usually get you into all the events all week long.
Yeah.
Kind of like our river festival.
We haven't gotten our buttons this year, have we?
Well, we should be getting them given to us, right?
We have a booth for our podcast at the festival.
Okay.
And it is supposed to come with two buttons.
Okay.
Since the festival will be like one of the last things...
It is the last one.
Probably won't get as much except...
Yeah.
Admission.
Yeah.
But we have our own buttons, so we'll have our gay pride buttons and we'll have our podcast buttons.
Cool.
I also made us name tags.
Mm-hmm.
I saw that.
Because the biggest question we get is, which one is bare and which one is curved?
That irritates me, because I think it's pretty obvious in the picture.
I suppose...
Well, it's not like they're photographs.
Yeah.
But still, I mean, if we're standing there together, you should be able to tell.
Kind of like heterosexuals who say, are you guys brothers?
Yeah, exactly.
Like the other day, that happened to you.
No.
Yeah.
Oh, son.
Son.
Is that your son?
Yeah.
The EMT who was with me in the ambulance to the hospital saw me call you and said, is that your son?
Mm-hmm.
Now you have to explain to people why you were in with the EMS.
Oh, was that this week?
Yes, it was Monday.
Monday or Tuesday, I think Tuesday.
It was Monday.
I passed out at work.
Okay.
Because...
What?
Um.
It was a combination of the...
Vertigo that I've been suffering from and dehydration from...
From diarrhea.
Okay.
One minute I was going to sit down at my desk, and the next minute I'm on the floor with everybody looking down at me.
Yeah.
Had I been at home when that happened, I would not have gone to the hospital.
But at work, there's just no telling them, no, I'm going to go...
Yeah.
So, yeah.
They let me...
They...
They carted me off in a...
On a gurney.
Mm-hmm.
Better that than a body bag.
Or handcuffs.
Mm-hmm.
You like handcuffs, don't lie.
All right.
Well, everything's better now, so you're all right.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
We've walked around all over the place.
I got my 6,000 steps at the zoo today, so...
I...
I don't think I have the...
Stamina?
The stamina or the fortitude...
That I had a year ago.
Okay.
But I'm not going to get it back unless I continue to push the limits.
Yeah, you still scare me, though, when you get like that, though.
Mm-hmm.
So, it just makes me nervous.
I see 90-year-old men with a cane pass me all the time when I'm walking, and it irritates me.
So, I think if 90-year-old men can pass me, then I can probably do better.
Yeah, but you don't know...
There's just...
I don't know.
There's things that I worry about with you.
I mean, you have these pouts, and then, like, you know, you're in the hospital, or...
Today, you didn't really do very well, and you're by the end of the walk, either.
I was just tired, and I had to sit down a lot.
Okay.
I just worry about you, that's all.
Unless you don't want me to worry about you.
You can worry if you want.
Okay.
I'm okay with that.
Okay.
What do I wear to pride events?
Well, even you, there's some pride events people don't wear anything.
Oh, yeah.
I was going to say, as little as possible.
Yeah.
So, really, I mean, anything that you want to.
But, yeah, you get some bigger cities.
There's just birthday suits everywhere.
Hmm.
I don't think it's appropriate.
I think that's probably San Francisco, because public nudity is allowed in that city.
Oh, is it really?
Yeah.
It's probably not in most cities.
Yeah.
Well, and I don't think...
I mean, to each their own, but to me, like, pride events, stuff like that, a lot of them
are becoming fanciful.
Family events.
And I don't think that that's appropriate.
I think...
What about the guys who are wearing leather harnesses?
That's what I mean.
I think there has to be some sort of...
And I know this isn't going to go over well, but, I mean, there has to be some sort of
decorum when you...
You have to be aware of your surroundings.
I mean, you don't go to Disney World half naked.
You know what I mean?
And if you go to this pride event and you see that...
There's a bunch of families there.
Put some clothes on.
You know what I mean?
And then later on, when you're at the bar and everyone's drinking and having fun, if
you want to take your clothes off there and it's at a bar, do it then.
But, I mean, there's a lot of kickback from people around pride events if they don't take
their families there anymore because things just get out of hand.
And I think that's too bad.
So, since we're on this slippery slope...
Oh, here we go.
I'm going to be the bad guy now.
What about drag queens?
Drag queens aren't showing their...
Sometimes.
Well, then I don't think that's appropriate.
I don't think...
I mean, I don't think the nudity should be there.
I mean, I think if you're going to...
You're trying to make it a family event, then make it a family event.
And, I mean, it's not...
There are people saying that children exposed to drag queens are being groomed for sexual...
That's bullshit.
But, you know, that's...
That's their way of justifying that they don't...
They don't like pride.
Yeah, well, I know.
They're going to come up and pull anything out of their ass.
You know what I mean?
They'd rather fight pride than guns in school.
So, they can kiss my white Irish ass.
But, no, I mean, I just think there should be some sort of...
I mean, you don't agree with me?
I think of it kind of like gay Mardi Gras.
Okay.
You see all kinds of adult behavior at Mardi Gras.
Okay.
And families take their kids to it.
Okay.
I don't think people should have their genitals out.
I don't think people should be giving blowjobs on the street.
Yeah.
Not that I've ever seen that at Pride, anyway.
I mean, I've seen videos of stuff like in San Francisco and stuff like that.
But, I mean, I know it's extreme.
I've seen videos that were done by porn companies that were pushing the envelope.
And I don't think I've ever seen it on the evening news.
No, no.
But, yeah, I just...
And I know a lot of people do it for shock value.
But there's a time and a place.
You know what I mean?
I just know that I'd be disappointed if I, you know, say I brought my niece and nephews to Pride one year
and I turn around and there's two dudes.
You know what I mean?
It's just...
So...
It's okay at the Pride events at bars, but not at the parade.
I would...
I know that's kind of hypocritical, but in a bar, at least you're in an adult setting.
What about the festival that we're going to be at that is in an enclosed place?
But it's part of...
Kids are invited, right?
Kids are included.
Sure.
Yeah.
So, I mean, then...
I think a lot of it has to do with common sense.
If you don't want your...
Not so common.
Yeah, I know.
But, I mean, if you don't want...
If you don't want to see your, like, little sister and little brother witnessing stuff like that, then...
You know what I mean?
If you want to win your little ones to see it, then don't do it.
You know what I mean?
Just because they're not your little ones doesn't mean that you should have carte blanche and do whatever you want.
Have a little couth.
So...
But, no, I have nothing against drag queens or...
You know what I mean?
I just think there's a time and a place.
Sounds like...
Sounds like it.
So...
Okay.
Where are we at?
Where do I...
Where are the pride events?
If that's what you just did.
How do I find the nearest pride event...
Pride parade?
I looked on Google yesterday.
Okay.
And Google knew where the...
Google knew where I was...
Okay.
...somehow.
I don't think I had logged in, but maybe it knew by my IP address or something.
Okay.
It knew...
It knew that I was in Wichita, and it says the gay pride events for this month are at these places.
Okay.
So, it was really easy to...
To go to the Google machine?
Yeah, to figure out where pride is.
Okay.
I know last weekend was Kansas City's pride parade.
Last weekend.
That's usually a big one, but it's not as big as Oklahoma City's.
That's my word.
There's well over a million people at Oklahoma City's pride events.
Wow.
That's impressive.
It's very impressive, and it's very empowering to know that you are there with a million other people...
I bet.
...that support you.
That's good.
It must feel really well.
It's really nice.
I guess no matter what the size, I'd say go.
Yeah.
Even if it doesn't really seem like your thing, go to be there with other people.
Okay.
I guess there's strength in numbers.
Well, why haven't you taken me to Oklahoma City yet?
I'm not laughing.
I want to know why we haven't gone yet.
I'd like to go down there and see it.
All right.
Can I go to pride alone?
Of course.
Of course, yes.
I would say if you go to pride alone,
you probably will meet...
And make new friends and never go alone again.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I would hope so.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah.
Yeah, you can make friends there.
Everyone's very friendly to the pride events that I've been to.
So, it's like you said, strength in numbers.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, things are coming.
There is a very, not only supportive, but very empowering feeling.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I definitely agree.
Can I bring my family members to pride?
Of course.
Yes.
Yeah.
Just don't go to the San Francisco ones.
Just don't go to the bars.
Yeah.
But, yes, of course you can bring your family members to pride.
I recommend it.
And in cities of our size and larger, there's a lot of different pride events.
There's not just the parade and the festival.
Mm-hmm.
Cities have movie festivals.
Mm-hmm.
Rodeo.
Okay, rodeo.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
All kinds of things.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think what else they have.
Just all sorts of stuff.
Last year, they had pride at the zoo.
Mm-hmm.
They had pride at the art museum.
Yeah.
All over town
The library
Yeah, that's true
I don't think there's quite as many of those this year
Because of DEI
Probably
I know that
A lot of corporate sponsors did not
Step up this year
That's too bad
Including the company that I work for
Yeah, I think a lot of people did
A lot of people didn't step up
They don't have to
So that's too bad
Definitely go to your pride this year
And go to the festival and pay your
Ten bucks or whatever
Because they're not getting that money from corporate sponsors
This year like they have in the past
And
Target
Has always been supportive
Of gay rights
They always have a pride collection every year
Of merchandise that you can buy
And this year
They're not
Supporting any cities anywhere
Yeah
Yet they still want us to buy their pride collection
Oh yeah of course
And not
No not this year
Really well good
Well, I thought they didn't even come out
With a pride collection this year
Yeah, they did
I think you can see it online
They probably don't have it at any of the stores
Yeah, probably not
Thinking I'll just keep my money
Alright
So where are we at now
Are there traditions
I should be aware of
I don't know of any traditions
I'm trying to think
At the festivals
There's usually
Lots of drag queens
Performances
Various performances yes
You don't
The health department
Is almost always involved
We would see
Dr. Sweet once a year
She had her
AIDS outreach programs
I'm looking
Okay
And
I have seen
Line dancing
Oh okay
The drag kings
Yes, drag kings
We've never talked about drag kings before
Drag kings are women
Who
Dress up as men
Not necessarily transgendered
No
But it's the
It's the idea of a
like drag queens yeah, a drag queen that's good enough you wouldn't know that it wasn't a
woman well drag kings the same thing some of those guys are hot until you realize it's a lesbian
yep, so yeah there's not any traditions per se but I guess you know you can start your own if you want
yeah, so get a group together and say we're gonna go to I don't know get corn on the cob and yeah
at the pride festival yeah there's always food trucks and bar trucks stuff like that so
yes, bar trucks that is something I have only seen at pride I've never seen at any other kind
of festivals oh really huh have you well yeah just growing up unless it's like a wine festival
oh god
concerts and stuff like that so but yeah, I mean normally not at parades but I mean
this really isn't at a parade it's at the thereafter so but yeah so yeah there really
isn't I mean yeah, it's like I said just start your own traditions be proud so speaking of
the next question do I have to drink to celebrate pride no you do not yes you do
okay no you don't
uh every once in a while I hear somebody say I don't like to go to the bar because people pressure
me to drink I also hear like teenagers who say my friends pressure me to smoke okay I remember
as a teenager other teenagers would ask me if I wanted to smoke and I would simply say no
and that was always the end of it
nobody forced you yeah and I think it's the same way at bars I mean they have
coke at the fountain yeah okay you always have your own you know you leave you lead your
own life so you have the ability to say yes or no so some so don't stay home because you
think there might be some drinks there yeah you know I can get it through if some people
have a problem with it I don't know
they might want to avoid the bars then yes so, I can see that you know if you have a problem with
alcohol then avoid don't put yourself in those situations so I mean it's nothing I'm coming up
with new or anything like that it's just and I suppose those people can say I was pressured
yeah, but probably not much pressure yeah just don't put yourself in that situation
so, all right who belongs at pride you
me just me just you and me that's it everyone gay straight bi trans everybody now
during the age crisis I could not say that really because reverend Fred Phelps of the
Westboro Baptist church was not welcome at our pride oh I bet yeah well rightfully so
and I think in these republican-leaning
times we're going to have other groups similarly protesting at pride yeah typically when the
police find out about some counter-protest um they show up and rope them off into a separate
area to keep them from bothering people there are some ministries who the
preachers will go into the pride festival with their bible and start spouting stuff but
everybody just makes fun of them and points and laughs kind of makes a mockery of them good
they deserve that yeah what if I'm queer but I don't want to celebrate pride it's up to you
you don't have to if you don't want to you don't have to but I would urge you to yeah, it's in it's
something you need to experience for instance my doctor is gay never goes to the local pride he
will sometimes go up to Kansas City never and I have to keep saying there's power in
numbers uh if you if you don't do anything all year long just go to the parade yeah
show them be there yeah well, he's always been like that though hasn't he pretty much yeah
so, some people just don't like the crowds and stuff like that but
teach them yeah, I guess like you said there's power in numbers and it is a good feeling and
at the parade I mean you can walk a block away and get out of the crowd yeah just because you're
at the parade doesn't mean you're necessarily gay so you know you don't have to worry about that
yeah, all right is that all we got today that's all
Do you have a joke for us yes okay what is it what does my favorite gay pride button say
and I know you know the answer but just pretend like you don't
I don't know if you don't actually know I think I do but I'm not going to ruin it for you
it says if men were meant to be fucked they'd have a hole in their ass
so, all men are meant to be fucked
all right
smart ass
all right we're done
that well that was my best-selling button when I did buttons at pride festival
how was it okay yeah you used to sell quite a bit of buttons didn't you
that's cool
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