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We're going to talk about gay stereotypes.
Okay.
Well, first thing let's talk about, I guess, the stereotype, but just went there, but I went
to New Jersey for a little bit.
Because you adore your mother?
Yes, I can transfer to my mother from living in New Jersey, back to New Jersey, living
in Kansas with us, just to torture you.
Now, she's not living with us, but she's here with us now, so, but that was an exciting
trip.
I was a whirlwind of a trip.
I was there for three days and then took four, left Tuesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, to drive back.
So that was like what?
An hour?
Yeah.
Yeah, pretty much.
Now, it's a long drive.
It's a long, very boring drive when your mother suffers from dementia.
But you could've listened to our podcast and kept yourself entertained the entire time.
Yeah.
There's 160 episodes.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I don't want to listen to myself.
I listen to my room thoughts on my own at all the time.
I don't want to listen to them actually being spoken.
But it was a good trip.
My mom here, it's safe and sound, so I'm happy to be home with you.
You look like you'd rather, you've seen a ghost.
Nothing else.
Nope.
Okay, so I guess we'll get on with the show then.
Yeah.
What is a stereotype?
I don't know.
What is a stereotype?
It is a printing term.
Okay.
You remember at Cowtown when we went to the print office, they had all the little boxes with
the little letters in them that they would put together and make a newspaper that is called
movable type.
If they want something that's more permanent, like I don't know, like Bible pages that are
going to change, they make lead press, I don't know what you call them, that they use to print
from.
So, they won't fall apart and they don't have to be reset and everything.
They can just get them forever and they stay the same forever and they're called stereotype.
Okay.
All right.
So, we're going to go more of the direct stereotype about that, right?
Okay.
So why have we never talked about stereotypes before?
Good question.
Yeah.
Something.
I would have sworn that we have.
It seems like we've kind of touched on the subject.
I remember the one about things that heterosexual men won't do because they think it looks gay.
I mean, that seemed to pander to stereotypes.
We didn't actually do that episode just on stereotypes.
Okay.
All right.
gay men and movies are violent and murderous.
What was the name of that Alfred Hitchcock movie about the gay couple that murdered people?
I don't know.
I've never seen that one.
That's usually considered the standard for that type of genre.
Okay.
Yeah, I know it's a famous movie, but I just can't think of the name of it.
Interesting.
Sorry.
My situation.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But there's tons of movies with gay psychopaths.
Well, any movies nowadays violent and murderous.
So, the gays are always violent and murderous in the movies?
No, no, no, no, no, but I'm just saying most movies are violent and murderous nowadays.
Oh, yeah.
Because in America, you can't have sex, but you can put your people in, shoot them all
you want.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that's a silly statement.
I think it's the only thing that came in her inner violent movies and murderous movies.
Perhaps people whose only image of gay people is those movies have a distorted view of
us.
Yeah.
I think I don't know.
Hey, you're not the best either, so I don't want to hear it from you either.
I can't.
What do you think?
What do I think?
I don't know.
What do you think?
I know I'm indecisive, so I'm not going to raise an argument.
I'm going to get a pass on that.
No.
I'm not even going to look for it, because I know it's not true.
And you're the arch type of gay.
Yeah.
All right.
Bisexuals are gay, but are afraid to admit it, but what do you think?
Ring's a little true?
I think so.
Yeah.
I don't think it is.
I don't think it is either, but it is kind of probably because every gay person you know
has said, well, for a while, I just told people I was bisexual, it was easier.
Yeah.
People I was bisexual for a longer time, and then I'm like, who?
I like dick too much, you know, who I can't even, so yeah.
Although I don't recall ever saying that, but you were bisexual, man.
Gay men are promiscuous.
Is it a stereotype when it's true?
No.
And it's true.
You're promiscuous, right?
I don't think so.
Why are you looking at me like that?
I mean, I could be.
In your life, how many different people have you had sex with?
You.
That's it.
I'm sticking to it.
I don't know.
I don't count.
I'm a lot.
So, I guess I'm not promiscuous.
More than it doesn't?
Yes.
See, a lot of gay guys would have that many in a weekend.
Yes.
I'm not like that.
Yeah.
Was you?
Have I?
Yeah.
I was like, "This weekend?"
Shut up.
Check off.
I can't with you today.
I can't.
Did you save it all up while I was gone?
All right.
Gay men cannot commit to a relationship.
I think we're getting pretty all right.
I mean, we're committed, so maybe the fast we can.
Or be committed.
Yeah.
So, I think that's not true.
Perhaps that's why they call it a stereotype.
Yeah.
Okay.
In lesbians, they're always butch.
No, not true.
It's why they call them lipstick lesbians.
I don't know any, do you?
They're lipstick lesbians.
Yeah.
They're rare.
It's like finding a missing, like the white albino alligator.
No, but they're, yeah, I don't know.
I don't believe in the whole, I don't know.
No bull dikes can't wear a lipstick, I guess.
I guess not.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We shouldn't talk about lesbians because we don't, we don't, we don't, we don't really
know any.
No, we don't.
Don't want to offend anybody.
Oh, wait, wait, never stop us.
All right.
Gay men are never butch.
Because they're not lesbians.
And you can see so smart.
Well, that's not true.
You're pretty butch, aren't you?
I think so.
I don't try to be butch, I mean, I just try to be myself, but I come, so you just wear
leather and flannel all the time.
I have people that come, say that I act very straight, so something, I just be me.
Is that a compliment?
I don't know.
Like I said, I just be me, and that's all, I don't, I don't try to be any specific way.
Okay.
Gay men don't like sports.
I freaking hate sports.
Yeah, that's not true.
I'm the direct opposite of that statement, so I mean, you can testify to that.
I don't know.
Do you like sports?
Do you even watch sports?
Not at all, not at all.
Is there anything on TV that you watch that isn't sports?
Not really.
That's all I watch today, so which one are we on now?
Gay men love the theater, the theater.
Hello.
Yes, that's a stereotype, I mean, I, I couldn't tell if I was somebody who'd been to the theater.
So, you're not a test being?
No.
I have nothing against it.
I just not, I'm not associated with it, so I don't think anything of pan-mean.
I have a story about that.
When I worked at the ticket office in town, one day they assigned me with a volunteer to
the door, and she was reading a script, and I asked her if she was a thespian, and she says,
"What did you ask me?"
Oh my God, Jesus, could acting like a panties in her own bunch?
I mean, it's a test being with a pee, test being, wow, people get all upset about loving silly,
silly people.
Gay actors can never be a leading man.
Not true.
How many do you know?
Gay actors are the leading men, I don't know any personally, but wasn't Rock Hudson considered
a leading man?
Did anybody know he was gay?
I don't know.
Not until he died.
I thought people in high would do.
In Hollywood?
Yeah, they helped him cover it up.
The first gay leading man I can think of was in bros.
Oh, come on.
What was his name?
I can't think of his name.
I can't think of either one of their names right now.
Well, can I have some kind of medicine though?
I reassure it.
Yeah, and I can't think of the other guy's name either, so they must be really known as
a leading man since you can't remember their names.
Yeah, really.
I don't know.
It's a stereotype, but unfortunately, it's true.
Very, very untrue.
I'm very sad that it's true, but what can you do?
What can you do?
You can't remember their names.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a stereotype, but unfortunately, it's true.
Yeah, I think anybody can be over-traumatic though, but I do think Saint came in to pretend
to be a little more.
Hey, you know, go like crap.
Is it okay to lean into the stereotype?
I guess.
If you want to, I mean, why?
I guess as long as that's the way you really are.
Yeah.
I mean, there are some guys who just never had the luxury of being in the closet.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
So, then you think they ever do it just to do it, or do it?
Because they can.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Possibly.
Yeah.
It's a thought.
Let's be in women fall in love too easily.
I think it's just like sharing mailboxes.
Have you told the joke?
Yes, I did.
No, I don't think that's true.
What's the most famous lesbian joke in the world?
Is it always about their moving dates?
Yeah.
What does a lesbian take on a second date?
A toaster.
Are you all?
Okay.
Yeah.
But it's, it's, it's, it's so true.
I can't argue it.
I mean.
Well, that's all I got to say about that is, it's got to be a stereotype because it's on this
list.
Okay.
There.
The lesbian's got to pass.
Um, okay, men have a better fashion sense than heterosexuals.
Well, duh.
Yeah, that's true.
There's no reason you can talk about that one.
Okay, men love shopping.
Yeah, I'm definitely one of those.
You shop a lot though.
On Amazon?
Yeah, but it's so shopping.
I am not driving all over again.
Oh, I know.
The exact thing that I want.
Oh, I know.
I know.
No, no, no, no.
I know.
But, um, yeah.
And as a result, we get a delivery from Amazon just about every day.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Gaming loves disco.
Do you know what 25th-century bumper stickers say?
No.
Disco still sucks.
Should.
Gaming.
Uh, and I would like disco in the first place, but, um, came in, have limp at wrists.
All of them.
Hmm.
And remember when we went to Wild Lights at the Zoo and I had you take your picture next
to one of those, um, things and the bear had this limp history as to do is like that.
Yeah.
I saw that.
That matches the stereotype of a bear just so much.
Sorry.
Just like the gay bears, um, there are some men that look incredibly hot and then they
open their mouth and talk and chiffon falls out.
Yeah.
I mean, the porn actor he liked was like that.
Who's his name?
Oh.
Jack Redcliffe.
Yeah.
Um, he sounded more like Kermit the Frog, though.
No, okay.
That's funny.
Hmm.
I think Kermit?
All right.
K-men have a K-d-r and can suddenly recognize other K-men.
Um, I think I've proven over and over and over again.
That's not true.
Yeah.
There were, there were guys who were right in front of me and I never saw it.
Not really.
And of course, from time to time, you really got a peg on somebody and he starts talking about
his wife.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's true.
Then he's sucking your dick and now I'm out there.
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Sorry.
I don't know if that was appropriate or not.
Oh, speaking of gay men are hedonistic and hypersexual.
Yeah.
Well, I guess I got nothing to say about that, huh?
All right.
It's true.
Yeah.
K-men are always lashing out their heterosexual men.
Also true.
Yeah.
Or at least the heterosexual men all think that.
Yeah.
That's very true.
Very, very true.
So, they pretend like they're disgusted that a guy is looking at them but then they get
mad when they won't look at them.
All right.
Okay.
K-men are festive and party too much.
Of course.
What do we do?
We're not meeting you.
So yeah.
Yeah.
We're the prime examples of festive.
Yeah.
They've been by this household recently.
Come by this house at 9 p.m. and find us in bed.
Yeah, festive.
Exactly.
So, once they come out of the closet, K-men can never go back.
Is that a stereotype, really?
I guess so.
I don't think that's true.
Try somebody who their work sends them to Dubai for a while.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, that's not really my choice.
That's fine.
Well, it doesn't say anything about choice here.
Let's show.
Hmm.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think that's survival sometimes.
Yeah.
K-men abuse recreational drugs.
I think everybody abuses recreational drugs.
That's why they're called recreational drugs.
Hmm.
K-men always have a fag-hag friend.
Hmm.
You too.
I do.
I don't think I do.
I mean, maybe somebody at work.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Hmm.
So, K-men are pedophiles that pisses me off.
No, we're not.
Hmm.
When I was too young to come out, I was always interested in men who are much older than
me.
And if I had been very persuasive, I don't know, I might have gotten one in trouble.
Hmm.
I never did that.
Yeah.
In theory, you see, like porn stars who go to jail for having sex with, but most of
the time when you actually look at the case, this underage child was like 17.
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
They have to have a cut-off point somewhere.
Yeah.
I guess.
I don't know where I was going with that.
I don't know.
We're just trying to get this done, right?
No.
I mean, no.
What's going on?
K-men are pedophiles when you're just that.
So, we're gay haters and are secretly gay themselves.
Gay haters are secretly gay themselves.
Doesn't that seem true?
Yeah.
The ones that are big, it seems to be like the biggest anti-gay people always seem to be getting
caught.
Especially in Congress.
Yeah.
Taking it or giving it somehow, because they don't grind or get it.
Some bathroom stalls somewhere, so.
But even personally, bullies that you knew in high school, I mean, they always, they're
always the first, so they're ankles to the ceiling.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that it's still a stereotype, even though it's true.
Yeah.
Let's be and always stay friends with their exes.
It seems to be true.
It always lets me and I have-
That seems very unnatural to me.
I mean, best friends with them too, and then like the next one comes on, they all become
friends.
It's like, it's weird.
It's like, you know, like Amy Scharfell on Big Bang 30, how their mentees are so like,
you know, it's weird.
More proof that we should not be talking about this.
No.
Exactly.
The only thing we know about them are stereotypes.
Dry cleans are transsexuals.
Mm.
Not true.
No.
Okay.
So, I guess we're moving on?
No, no, no.
I mean, that's what you wanted to see.
I mean, do you have anything to add to it?
People who believe that just don't know any.
Mm-hmm.
A drag is not a, I don't want to say lifestyle, but a drag is a performance.
Like in Victor, Victoria, at the end of the performance, a drag queen would pull their
wig off, and it was like a big shock.
Oh, this wasn't really a woman.
That's what drag is.
Yeah.
Where's transsexuals?
It's not living a particular way; it's performing a particular way.
Mm-hmm.
Gay men gravitate to cities and avoid urban communities.
This might just be convenience, because it's simply easier to move to the big city where
you'll be accepted.
Yeah.
And not made fun of and, and derided for being what you want.
Being different, yeah.
There is a magazine, and I think it's still in production called RFD.
Oh, yeah.
And it is for the, the opposite of urban gaze of, for rural gaze.
Oh, okay.
Hmm.
That'd be interesting to read.
Mm-hmm.
It's not like a porn magazine, it's, but actually, I don't know that I, I mean, I know of
it, but I don't know that I've ever read it ever.
Okay.
I've never seen it at a new stand or anything.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Game in are better educated.
Of course we are.
But we're better all the way around.
I know definite exceptions to that one.
Oh, yes.
Well, it's, it was anything.
There are stupid people everywhere, yeah.
So, although, I think I may have mentioned this recently, not on the podcast, but just in
conversation that people really are smart, at least to people I work with are smart.
Okay.
So, the reason, I think, we point out stupid people make fun of them is because they're kind
of rare.
Oh, okay.
Don't you?
Yeah, that could be, that makes sense.
Let's see, just stand on them because they are so dumb.
Mm-hmm.
That could be true.
And in the community that I ran around with, when I was active in the gay community, these
were all very smart people who, you know, we're dealing with a pandemic.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think the dumb people just didn't sign up for that.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So, you don't want to do it?
They were the ones that drank themselves into a stupid every night.
Yeah.
I think that's the last one.
Is it?
Do you want to hear a joke?
Of course I do.
What is it?
How many lesbians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
I don't know.
How many?
Seven.
One to change it, three to organize the potluck and three to film an empowering documentary.
That's good.
That's cute.
All right.
Once again, we know nothing about lesbians.
No, nothing at all.
All right.
This was episode 167 of the Baehr And Curadh Podcast.
This is Baehr.
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