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I love you Curadh. I love you Baehr. This is episode 169 of the Baehr and Curadh
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podcast. We're going to talk about the paranormal, again. Again. So we got an
email about the paranormal. So how would you read that? Well first I think the
listeners should know we also do a blog called Paranormal Partners. Okay. And
apparently this woman saw the blog and sent us an email. Okay. She says my
grandson is seeing something in our house. Is there some way you can contact me to
speak about it? And I sent her an email back. Said we'd love to talk to you and
William can we do that? And this morning she sent another email saying call
sometime today. Okay. So you want to call her? Yeah. Okay. So we're going to set up a
time in appointment I guess. Yeah. Friday would be great but we have another
paranormal investigation at one of the museums on that night. Well you also want
to talk to us with this woman and tell her what to expect or not to expect
to. Well anybody who's ever watched any kind of show on like ghost hunters or
what it really up to know what to expect. All to and what they do and don't. There's a
big difference. Well. And I have a release form that they'll have to sign before we'll do
anything. Okay. Because I don't want these people to think this is going to be the
next conjuring or something like that. So I'm sorry. I mean because yeah I just
don't. What happens if we bring these ghosts on? I guess you'll live with them. No. We're
gonna have some issues. Well that's kind of interesting. Are you excited? Yes. Okay.
Hopefully it's not dangerous. How could it be dangerous? I don't know. Ghosts cannot
superpowers. Oh. I'm teasing. Gosh you're no fun. Okay. What is your earliest or
most significant paranormal experience? God. Then stand out really. I know that
I've had some but I can't think of any right now at the top of my head. You haven't experienced
anything at work. Oh yeah at work. There's a ghost there at work. A middle-aged woman.
I don't see her in the mid-20s I would say. But yes she was murdered and raped in the
bathroom. You'll see her at night occasionally. Do you have an alibi? No I was before I was
living for Kansas. Before I've been two or three at the time when it happened. So I don't
think I raped and murdered a woman in Kansas when I was in New Jersey in the top of her.
What was in that building then? There was a pool. Oh. So yeah she was. She went back to
Tinkle and came to the more nefarious took place after that. But yeah never, never
remember people that I work with the scene or two. So it's not just me. They all you see
they're wanting to woman in a white dress or like a white baby blue dress and she's always
walking towards the bathroom. So at least it's not a woman in white because everybody seems
to have a white. Two or from the bathroom show walk. But it is interesting. She's startled
here every time you say it or so. But it's nothing. You're just rolling your eyes at me.
Well no. I don't think your work is interested in us coming out. Why don't? Because they haven't.
We just been busy there. So I mean that's the, you know, she won't be able to have you out
anytime you wander out. It's just we've been busy. So one of those things that kind of
go to the waistside when you don't think about it. But yeah, I know that she is definitely
interested. So I'll just bring it up to her again. What is your earliest or most significant
paranormal experience? Well, most significant. It wasn't a ghost. It was when I was in
Boy Scouts. Our troop had a rule that we had to go camping every month. Which kind of
runs you for camping for your life. But there was one time we had a campfire in the middle
of the clearing. And somebody mentioned something about getting the star chart out or they had
brought their star chart with them. And when we look at the stars and we looked up and there
were no stars in the sky. And it wasn't cloudy. It turns out on the horizon you could see
a few stars. And they would wink out. And it became apparent after a while that there was
something completely dark. It was covered in the sky. Straight overhead that was covering
most of the sky where you couldn't see the scars. That's crazy. It's creepy. We never heard
anything. We never saw any lights. We just saw a big, like a big black disk overhead.
It's scary yet? No, no, no. We were fascinated. I wish I had a telescope or binoculars or something.
We didn't that time. Let me see them. Look up there and they're all going like this.
Looking down at you. Sorry. Yeah, that's cool though. That's really cool. A little frightening,
but that's cool. I don't know. We weren't frightened. We were just fascinated by it.
But it's neat though. Where did you go up and what did that affect your belief or experiences?
Well, I grew up here in Kansas. I think what affect my beliefs and experiences the most
is that my whole family is into paranormal stuff. My parents used to go to UFO conferences
all over the country. That's how they contact their people. Yeah, they're really into it.
Everything. They travel across the US to go to conferences. Yeah, that's cool.
I'm not so much the ghost stuff. More of the UFOs. Yeah, yeah. My sister subscribes to
Gaia. What's Gaia? It's a TV channel on that paranormal stuff. Yeah, she's, I know she's
believer in all that stuff and you pretty much, you're into it also too. Yeah, I can't call
myself a believer because you have to have faith to believe. I don't. I'm faith in it, but
I think it's very interesting. What do you find more interesting paranormal or the UFO?
UFOs are paranormal. Well, I'm in my ghost compared to UFO. I think I'm more interested
in EVP's electronic voice phenomena where you pick up voices on like a tape recorder
or a digital recorder. Well, that seems interesting. Do we have a question about that? Yeah, we
do later. I'll cover that later. Have you ever seen a UFO, a cryptid or a ghost? Ghost,
yeah, UFO. I don't believe so. A cryptid, no. So no bigfoot, sir? No. Chipocopra. You haven't
seen the Jersey Devil. No. No. No, it's common as you think you would be. The Jersey
Devil isn't at the mascot of any show team. Yeah. Yeah, he's busy and traveling. You've
seen him. Yeah. But now I have not seen any of those. How about you, have you? You said
you seen a UFO? I've seen a UFO. And I don't think I've ever seen any kind of ghost. We've
heard here in the house. Just about this time last year, when we were going to do the previous
paranormal investigation, there was something in the attic that was shuffling around. We never
did figure out what it was. No, not when you first started getting into all the paranormal
stuff. Yeah, I think intent may have something to do with it, because it was something we were
thinking of as something we were preparing for. And I think that helped to manifest it in
some way. Yeah. I could be. I think our emotions are very strong and I think they can influence
things. And fear is probably the strongest emotion you have. Probably. Yeah. But it was interesting
when it was happening. It was scary. Yeah. But also fascinating. Can you describe a time when
you felt like you were being watched or stalked? No. Never. No. That would freak me out. Really.
That would really, really freak me out, I think. That's like one of my biggest fears is like
someone's following me stalking me. Yeah. That would really, really creep me out. I've experienced
it many times. Really? If I came home one night in the dark and I came down to the alley and
I turned around and saw someone standing on the sidewalk following me, I'd flip out probably.
Just scares the crap out of me. Why? Either something wrong, you're doing something that I
know is not right. So yeah. Or it's like yeah. I believe that my grandparents at their farm, I believe
their barn was haunted. Oh really? Because sometimes they would send us out to the barn to get
something at night and there was no lights in the barn and you could walk towards the barn
just fine. But when you were coming back, it felt like something was right behind you the whole
thing that just gives me the will he's just thinking about it. And I'm not the only everyone in my
family. Just felt like someone's walking behind you. Yeah. Like you're being watched. Really?
Yeah. That would freak me out. I would go to that barn again. You want to catch me dead?
Probably why they asked us to go get stuff so they wouldn't have to do it. Yeah. Was that
a reason we going without because I would be caught dead going to that barn. Nope. Yeah. It's gone.
It's in my old house that I lived in the basement. Give me really uneasily feelings about like that.
It just most people, if they have a spot in their in their house that frightens them, it's usually
the basement. Yeah. I would run up the steps in my old house because of the basement. Just
and yeah. Even after I got finished, I still gave me the creeps. Always all like someone was
right behind me. I should have right but like chased me up the steps. I don't know why. Nothing
particular is ever happened. It just gave me the willies. What was it like to have an experience
with a haunted house or object? That's a good question. It's frightening. I mean, you know,
out of any experience I've had, that's similar to that. It's just frightening. It makes you question
things. What do you think? The barn wasn't haunted house. I guess you could say it was a haunted barn.
And that was definitely an overpowering feeling. As far as objects go, we like to go to museums and
there's one here in town that we often go to and they have a bunch of really creepy, creepy objects.
Oh, they have some shrunken heads. I think they have two mummies. You talking about the museum of hidden
treasures? Yes. I mean, if you're talking about such a county, but the dolls. Oh, yeah. The county
museum have a bunch of creepy, creepy dolls. The Victorian dolls. But yeah, the hidden treasures
one's spooky too. So as I said before, I think fear can manifest things and objects that scare you.
I think have kind of a power of the realm. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. How did you begin
investigating the paranormal? It's kind of really investigated it and I think it's more of a question
for you, I think. Yeah, I suppose. So I think that's mainly because we do a podcast.
You know, come first subject matter. Well, that. And we have all these recorders, these very fancy
audio recorders that are capable of picking up a pin drop somewhere. And that got me interested
in electronic voice phenomena. So I started using it. I started going places asking questions
and I would get responses everywhere. Pretty much. Yeah. Now there's hundreds of hours of
podcasts that we recorded that I got nothing but you and I talking. But I don't think we had any
intent to pick up anything during this. Yeah, I think your intentions have something to do with it.
Yeah, probably. So it seems like one of our actually videos online or anything like that.
Yeah, there was a recording I made at Garvey Park, which is right next to the river.
And there is this woman who's stringed out like a whole sentence, but it's weird, weird stuff.
Like you can't be bothered by me and you kind of wish I could remember all the words. But there
was like three phrases. Really? And something like you can't be bothered by me and or you can't
acknowledge me and something about killing my mother. Really? You just picked this up out of the
bloom? Yeah. Really? Wow. And I'm in a very distinct voice, which I did not hear with my own ears.
We got to see when you were listening to the quarter after listening back. And it makes me think that
there must have been some crazy person in the park. Yeah, they're talking like that.
I never saw any woman at all. But water carries sound differently. And she could have been clear
on the other side of the river, blathering off a little crazy things. And it picked it up.
You carried it all over there? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was not loud enough to hear, but
when I bring the volume up on that, that's the only logical explanation I could think of. Otherwise,
there's just like really crazy ghost there. That's crazy. That's interesting. Very interesting.
Wouldn't that say do you use for investigation? Well, of course, we use our digital recorders.
I have a night vision camera, which we haven't really got much of a chance to use. We used it at
Theorosis Bridge. And I don't think we picked anything up with that camera. But with my cell phone
camera, I picked up all kinds of weird like light streaks. Oh, really? That's interesting.
I've shown them to you. Do you remember? Yeah. Well, you showed me a lot. That's why. Yeah.
And we did pick up a weird sound that would rise and fall on the recorder. Theorosis Bridge.
But we haven't had a chance to use that camera very much. I plan to on our next investigation on
Friday. Oh, we also have a Theoremman. A Theoremman is a musical object. And you start by moving your
hands. And the closer you move your hand to it, the pitch changes and volume changes. And I would
think if there was something in the area, a Theoremman would detect it. Yeah.
I haven't really had a chance to use it. Yeah, I messed with it and get used to it. So
the Theoremman is kind of hard to use. I think anyone. What do you think is the cause of these
phenomena? I think the mind is more powerful than we give it credit for. That's why I hate to use
the word ghost because I don't know that these are dead people. It may be possible for a living
person to do the same thing if they just had the power. Yeah. Do you think it could be something else
besides just ghost? Okay. That's interesting. There is something they call astral projection where you
basically mentally leave your body and go somewhere else. And I would think, how would I put that?
I would think somebody who's into the paranormal would be interested in doing that. Yeah.
And possibly messing with a ghost hunter somewhere. Probably. Yeah.
You're going to be interested in that. Would you? All right. Do you believe in ghosts and why?
I think I just answered that. But I don't not believe in ghosts. How's that?
Okay, that's fair. I believe in them. Just because of my, yeah. Just because you've had an experience.
What is your favorite paranormal story? And you can go, sorry. What is your favorite paranormal story?
You've heard. God, there's so many of them on YouTube. There's a ton of them out there.
And there are YouTube channels where they just basically tell stories. And they're not true stories.
Oh, really? So it's hard to differentiate from what's real and what's not. I suppose, yeah. A lot of
YouTube is not an altruistic thing they're doing it for clicks. Yeah. Most of it. So none, no story
stands out to me. Yeah, either for me. Most of the ghost hunting things, it's make that light come on
or make a noise or something. Turn that light on if you're able to see if you can. Yeah.
Yeah. And nothing is very definitive. No, I'm very obscure. I think so people can't come back and say,
hey, look, you did do this or you did say that and make a turn and say, no, that wasn't that exactly.
So it's a way of plausible to an eye ability. So, okay, would you get a joke this week?
Why are ghosts such terrible liars? Why? Because you can see right through them.
That's good. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that joke.
There you go. I like that one. Okay, okay.
This was episode 169 of the Baehr And Curadh Podcast. This is Baehr.
And Curadh. Goodbye. Goodbye.
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