WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.640 Hello from Baehr and Curadh, a podcast from the Land of Awes Information Services. 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:20.640 [Music] 3 00:00:18.668 --> 00:00:24.728 I love you Curadh. I love you Baehr. This is episode 169 of the Baehr and Curadh 4 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:22.035 [BLANK_AUDIO] 5 00:00:24.728 --> 00:00:32.648 podcast. We're going to talk about the paranormal, again. Again. So we got an 6 00:00:32.648 --> 00:00:37.848 email about the paranormal. So how would you read that? Well first I think the 7 00:00:37.848 --> 00:00:43.348 listeners should know we also do a blog called Paranormal Partners. Okay. And 8 00:00:43.348 --> 00:00:50.588 apparently this woman saw the blog and sent us an email. Okay. She says my 9 00:00:50.588 --> 00:00:56.308 grandson is seeing something in our house. Is there some way you can contact me to 10 00:00:56.308 --> 00:01:02.468 speak about it? And I sent her an email back. Said we'd love to talk to you and 11 00:01:02.468 --> 00:01:08.308 William can we do that? And this morning she sent another email saying call 12 00:01:08.308 --> 00:01:13.748 sometime today. Okay. So you want to call her? Yeah. Okay. So we're going to set up a 13 00:01:13.748 --> 00:01:18.548 time in appointment I guess. Yeah. Friday would be great but we have another 14 00:01:18.548 --> 00:01:23.908 paranormal investigation at one of the museums on that night. Well you also want 15 00:01:23.908 --> 00:01:27.268 to talk to us with this woman and tell her what to expect or not to expect 16 00:01:27.268 --> 00:01:32.668 to. Well anybody who's ever watched any kind of show on like ghost hunters or 17 00:01:32.668 --> 00:01:38.508 what it really up to know what to expect. All to and what they do and don't. There's a 18 00:01:38.508 --> 00:01:43.068 big difference. Well. And I have a release form that they'll have to sign before we'll do 19 00:01:43.068 --> 00:01:46.468 anything. Okay. Because I don't want these people to think this is going to be the 20 00:01:46.468 --> 00:01:51.848 next conjuring or something like that. So I'm sorry. I mean because yeah I just 21 00:01:51.848 --> 00:01:57.908 don't. What happens if we bring these ghosts on? I guess you'll live with them. No. We're 22 00:01:57.908 --> 00:02:05.828 gonna have some issues. Well that's kind of interesting. Are you excited? Yes. Okay. 23 00:02:05.828 --> 00:02:12.188 Hopefully it's not dangerous. How could it be dangerous? I don't know. Ghosts cannot 24 00:02:12.188 --> 00:02:19.348 superpowers. Oh. I'm teasing. Gosh you're no fun. Okay. What is your earliest or 25 00:02:19.348 --> 00:02:26.668 most significant paranormal experience? God. Then stand out really. I know that 26 00:02:26.668 --> 00:02:31.468 I've had some but I can't think of any right now at the top of my head. You haven't experienced 27 00:02:31.468 --> 00:02:37.228 anything at work. Oh yeah at work. There's a ghost there at work. A middle-aged woman. 28 00:02:37.228 --> 00:02:42.148 I don't see her in the mid-20s I would say. But yes she was murdered and raped in the 29 00:02:42.148 --> 00:02:48.548 bathroom. You'll see her at night occasionally. Do you have an alibi? No I was before I was 30 00:02:48.548 --> 00:02:53.828 living for Kansas. Before I've been two or three at the time when it happened. So I don't 31 00:02:53.828 --> 00:02:57.948 think I raped and murdered a woman in Kansas when I was in New Jersey in the top of her. 32 00:02:57.948 --> 00:03:03.668 What was in that building then? There was a pool. Oh. So yeah she was. She went back to 33 00:03:03.668 --> 00:03:09.648 Tinkle and came to the more nefarious took place after that. But yeah never, never 34 00:03:09.648 --> 00:03:13.988 remember people that I work with the scene or two. So it's not just me. They all you see 35 00:03:13.988 --> 00:03:18.688 they're wanting to woman in a white dress or like a white baby blue dress and she's always 36 00:03:18.688 --> 00:03:22.948 walking towards the bathroom. So at least it's not a woman in white because everybody seems 37 00:03:22.948 --> 00:03:29.508 to have a white. Two or from the bathroom show walk. But it is interesting. She's startled 38 00:03:29.508 --> 00:03:33.868 here every time you say it or so. But it's nothing. You're just rolling your eyes at me. 39 00:03:33.868 --> 00:03:40.628 Well no. I don't think your work is interested in us coming out. Why don't? Because they haven't. 40 00:03:40.628 --> 00:03:45.828 We just been busy there. So I mean that's the, you know, she won't be able to have you out 41 00:03:45.828 --> 00:03:50.148 anytime you wander out. It's just we've been busy. So one of those things that kind of 42 00:03:50.148 --> 00:03:55.668 go to the waistside when you don't think about it. But yeah, I know that she is definitely 43 00:03:55.668 --> 00:04:00.708 interested. So I'll just bring it up to her again. What is your earliest or most significant 44 00:04:00.708 --> 00:04:06.788 paranormal experience? Well, most significant. It wasn't a ghost. It was when I was in 45 00:04:06.788 --> 00:04:13.908 Boy Scouts. Our troop had a rule that we had to go camping every month. Which kind of 46 00:04:13.908 --> 00:04:20.908 runs you for camping for your life. But there was one time we had a campfire in the middle 47 00:04:20.908 --> 00:04:27.908 of the clearing. And somebody mentioned something about getting the star chart out or they had 48 00:04:27.908 --> 00:04:32.828 brought their star chart with them. And when we look at the stars and we looked up and there 49 00:04:32.828 --> 00:04:40.088 were no stars in the sky. And it wasn't cloudy. It turns out on the horizon you could see 50 00:04:40.088 --> 00:04:47.808 a few stars. And they would wink out. And it became apparent after a while that there was 51 00:04:47.808 --> 00:04:53.008 something completely dark. It was covered in the sky. Straight overhead that was covering 52 00:04:53.008 --> 00:04:58.648 most of the sky where you couldn't see the scars. That's crazy. It's creepy. We never heard 53 00:04:58.648 --> 00:05:06.328 anything. We never saw any lights. We just saw a big, like a big black disk overhead. 54 00:05:06.328 --> 00:05:14.188 It's scary yet? No, no, no. We were fascinated. I wish I had a telescope or binoculars or something. 55 00:05:14.188 --> 00:05:17.708 We didn't that time. Let me see them. Look up there and they're all going like this. 56 00:05:17.708 --> 00:05:24.008 Looking down at you. Sorry. Yeah, that's cool though. That's really cool. A little frightening, 57 00:05:24.008 --> 00:05:29.008 but that's cool. I don't know. We weren't frightened. We were just fascinated by it. 58 00:05:29.008 --> 00:05:36.848 But it's neat though. Where did you go up and what did that affect your belief or experiences? 59 00:05:36.848 --> 00:05:43.448 Well, I grew up here in Kansas. I think what affect my beliefs and experiences the most 60 00:05:43.448 --> 00:05:50.448 is that my whole family is into paranormal stuff. My parents used to go to UFO conferences 61 00:05:50.448 --> 00:05:58.668 all over the country. That's how they contact their people. Yeah, they're really into it. 62 00:05:58.668 --> 00:06:03.348 Everything. They travel across the US to go to conferences. Yeah, that's cool. 63 00:06:03.348 --> 00:06:10.788 I'm not so much the ghost stuff. More of the UFOs. Yeah, yeah. My sister subscribes to 64 00:06:10.788 --> 00:06:18.488 Gaia. What's Gaia? It's a TV channel on that paranormal stuff. Yeah, she's, I know she's 65 00:06:18.488 --> 00:06:25.068 believer in all that stuff and you pretty much, you're into it also too. Yeah, I can't call 66 00:06:25.068 --> 00:06:32.068 myself a believer because you have to have faith to believe. I don't. I'm faith in it, but 67 00:06:32.068 --> 00:06:39.628 I think it's very interesting. What do you find more interesting paranormal or the UFO? 68 00:06:39.628 --> 00:06:47.048 UFOs are paranormal. Well, I'm in my ghost compared to UFO. I think I'm more interested 69 00:06:47.048 --> 00:06:56.608 in EVP's electronic voice phenomena where you pick up voices on like a tape recorder 70 00:06:56.608 --> 00:07:03.048 or a digital recorder. Well, that seems interesting. Do we have a question about that? Yeah, we 71 00:07:03.048 --> 00:07:10.648 do later. I'll cover that later. Have you ever seen a UFO, a cryptid or a ghost? Ghost, 72 00:07:10.648 --> 00:07:18.088 yeah, UFO. I don't believe so. A cryptid, no. So no bigfoot, sir? No. Chipocopra. You haven't 73 00:07:18.088 --> 00:07:23.888 seen the Jersey Devil. No. No. No, it's common as you think you would be. The Jersey 74 00:07:23.888 --> 00:07:30.528 Devil isn't at the mascot of any show team. Yeah. Yeah, he's busy and traveling. You've 75 00:07:30.528 --> 00:07:39.188 seen him. Yeah. But now I have not seen any of those. How about you, have you? You said 76 00:07:39.188 --> 00:07:46.768 you seen a UFO? I've seen a UFO. And I don't think I've ever seen any kind of ghost. We've 77 00:07:46.768 --> 00:07:52.728 heard here in the house. Just about this time last year, when we were going to do the previous 78 00:07:52.728 --> 00:07:59.788 paranormal investigation, there was something in the attic that was shuffling around. We never 79 00:07:59.788 --> 00:08:05.428 did figure out what it was. No, not when you first started getting into all the paranormal 80 00:08:05.428 --> 00:08:13.468 stuff. Yeah, I think intent may have something to do with it, because it was something we were 81 00:08:13.468 --> 00:08:21.068 thinking of as something we were preparing for. And I think that helped to manifest it in 82 00:08:21.068 --> 00:08:31.508 some way. Yeah. I could be. I think our emotions are very strong and I think they can influence 83 00:08:31.508 --> 00:08:38.308 things. And fear is probably the strongest emotion you have. Probably. Yeah. But it was interesting 84 00:08:38.308 --> 00:08:46.508 when it was happening. It was scary. Yeah. But also fascinating. Can you describe a time when 85 00:08:46.508 --> 00:08:54.108 you felt like you were being watched or stalked? No. Never. No. That would freak me out. Really. 86 00:08:54.108 --> 00:08:58.028 That would really, really freak me out, I think. That's like one of my biggest fears is like 87 00:08:58.028 --> 00:09:05.268 someone's following me stalking me. Yeah. That would really, really creep me out. I've experienced 88 00:09:05.268 --> 00:09:10.588 it many times. Really? If I came home one night in the dark and I came down to the alley and 89 00:09:10.588 --> 00:09:16.788 I turned around and saw someone standing on the sidewalk following me, I'd flip out probably. 90 00:09:16.788 --> 00:09:22.108 Just scares the crap out of me. Why? Either something wrong, you're doing something that I 91 00:09:22.108 --> 00:09:29.588 know is not right. So yeah. Or it's like yeah. I believe that my grandparents at their farm, I believe 92 00:09:29.588 --> 00:09:36.108 their barn was haunted. Oh really? Because sometimes they would send us out to the barn to get 93 00:09:36.108 --> 00:09:42.388 something at night and there was no lights in the barn and you could walk towards the barn 94 00:09:42.388 --> 00:09:48.748 just fine. But when you were coming back, it felt like something was right behind you the whole 95 00:09:48.748 --> 00:09:54.428 thing that just gives me the will he's just thinking about it. And I'm not the only everyone in my 96 00:09:54.428 --> 00:10:00.268 family. Just felt like someone's walking behind you. Yeah. Like you're being watched. Really? 97 00:10:00.268 --> 00:10:05.588 Yeah. That would freak me out. I would go to that barn again. You want to catch me dead? 98 00:10:05.588 --> 00:10:11.848 Probably why they asked us to go get stuff so they wouldn't have to do it. Yeah. Was that 99 00:10:11.848 --> 00:10:20.568 a reason we going without because I would be caught dead going to that barn. Nope. Yeah. It's gone. 100 00:10:20.568 --> 00:10:28.168 It's in my old house that I lived in the basement. Give me really uneasily feelings about like that. 101 00:10:28.168 --> 00:10:35.368 It just most people, if they have a spot in their in their house that frightens them, it's usually 102 00:10:35.368 --> 00:10:40.408 the basement. Yeah. I would run up the steps in my old house because of the basement. Just 103 00:10:40.408 --> 00:10:44.568 and yeah. Even after I got finished, I still gave me the creeps. Always all like someone was 104 00:10:44.568 --> 00:10:50.568 right behind me. I should have right but like chased me up the steps. I don't know why. Nothing 105 00:10:50.568 --> 00:10:56.408 particular is ever happened. It just gave me the willies. What was it like to have an experience 106 00:10:56.408 --> 00:11:03.608 with a haunted house or object? That's a good question. It's frightening. I mean, you know, 107 00:11:03.608 --> 00:11:08.168 out of any experience I've had, that's similar to that. It's just frightening. It makes you question 108 00:11:08.168 --> 00:11:14.168 things. What do you think? The barn wasn't haunted house. I guess you could say it was a haunted barn. 109 00:11:14.168 --> 00:11:24.328 And that was definitely an overpowering feeling. As far as objects go, we like to go to museums and 110 00:11:24.328 --> 00:11:32.888 there's one here in town that we often go to and they have a bunch of really creepy, creepy objects. 111 00:11:34.168 --> 00:11:39.368 Oh, they have some shrunken heads. I think they have two mummies. You talking about the museum of hidden 112 00:11:39.368 --> 00:11:46.328 treasures? Yes. I mean, if you're talking about such a county, but the dolls. Oh, yeah. The county 113 00:11:46.328 --> 00:11:53.048 museum have a bunch of creepy, creepy dolls. The Victorian dolls. But yeah, the hidden treasures 114 00:11:53.048 --> 00:12:03.368 one's spooky too. So as I said before, I think fear can manifest things and objects that scare you. 115 00:12:03.928 --> 00:12:09.608 I think have kind of a power of the realm. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. How did you begin 116 00:12:09.608 --> 00:12:14.648 investigating the paranormal? It's kind of really investigated it and I think it's more of a question 117 00:12:14.648 --> 00:12:21.608 for you, I think. Yeah, I suppose. So I think that's mainly because we do a podcast. 118 00:12:21.608 --> 00:12:30.408 You know, come first subject matter. Well, that. And we have all these recorders, these very fancy 119 00:12:30.968 --> 00:12:38.728 audio recorders that are capable of picking up a pin drop somewhere. And that got me interested 120 00:12:38.728 --> 00:12:45.528 in electronic voice phenomena. So I started using it. I started going places asking questions 121 00:12:45.528 --> 00:12:55.928 and I would get responses everywhere. Pretty much. Yeah. Now there's hundreds of hours of 122 00:12:55.928 --> 00:13:02.008 podcasts that we recorded that I got nothing but you and I talking. But I don't think we had any 123 00:13:02.008 --> 00:13:08.168 intent to pick up anything during this. Yeah, I think your intentions have something to do with it. 124 00:13:08.168 --> 00:13:13.528 Yeah, probably. So it seems like one of our actually videos online or anything like that. 125 00:13:13.528 --> 00:13:20.648 Yeah, there was a recording I made at Garvey Park, which is right next to the river. 126 00:13:22.088 --> 00:13:30.728 And there is this woman who's stringed out like a whole sentence, but it's weird, weird stuff. 127 00:13:30.728 --> 00:13:41.288 Like you can't be bothered by me and you kind of wish I could remember all the words. But there 128 00:13:41.288 --> 00:13:49.128 was like three phrases. Really? And something like you can't be bothered by me and or you can't 129 00:13:49.128 --> 00:13:55.928 acknowledge me and something about killing my mother. Really? You just picked this up out of the 130 00:13:55.928 --> 00:14:04.248 bloom? Yeah. Really? Wow. And I'm in a very distinct voice, which I did not hear with my own ears. 131 00:14:04.248 --> 00:14:10.488 We got to see when you were listening to the quarter after listening back. And it makes me think that 132 00:14:10.488 --> 00:14:15.768 there must have been some crazy person in the park. Yeah, they're talking like that. 133 00:14:15.768 --> 00:14:25.128 I never saw any woman at all. But water carries sound differently. And she could have been clear 134 00:14:25.128 --> 00:14:34.168 on the other side of the river, blathering off a little crazy things. And it picked it up. 135 00:14:34.168 --> 00:14:38.648 You carried it all over there? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was not loud enough to hear, but 136 00:14:39.288 --> 00:14:47.848 when I bring the volume up on that, that's the only logical explanation I could think of. Otherwise, 137 00:14:47.848 --> 00:14:53.448 there's just like really crazy ghost there. That's crazy. That's interesting. Very interesting. 138 00:14:53.448 --> 00:14:59.688 Wouldn't that say do you use for investigation? Well, of course, we use our digital recorders. 139 00:14:59.688 --> 00:15:08.648 I have a night vision camera, which we haven't really got much of a chance to use. We used it at 140 00:15:08.648 --> 00:15:15.048 Theorosis Bridge. And I don't think we picked anything up with that camera. But with my cell phone 141 00:15:15.048 --> 00:15:21.208 camera, I picked up all kinds of weird like light streaks. Oh, really? That's interesting. 142 00:15:21.208 --> 00:15:26.408 I've shown them to you. Do you remember? Yeah. Well, you showed me a lot. That's why. Yeah. 143 00:15:26.408 --> 00:15:34.328 And we did pick up a weird sound that would rise and fall on the recorder. Theorosis Bridge. 144 00:15:34.328 --> 00:15:40.968 But we haven't had a chance to use that camera very much. I plan to on our next investigation on 145 00:15:40.968 --> 00:15:51.128 Friday. Oh, we also have a Theoremman. A Theoremman is a musical object. And you start by moving your 146 00:15:51.128 --> 00:15:59.048 hands. And the closer you move your hand to it, the pitch changes and volume changes. And I would 147 00:15:59.048 --> 00:16:06.008 think if there was something in the area, a Theoremman would detect it. Yeah. 148 00:16:06.008 --> 00:16:11.688 I haven't really had a chance to use it. Yeah, I messed with it and get used to it. So 149 00:16:11.688 --> 00:16:17.208 the Theoremman is kind of hard to use. I think anyone. What do you think is the cause of these 150 00:16:17.208 --> 00:16:24.488 phenomena? I think the mind is more powerful than we give it credit for. That's why I hate to use 151 00:16:24.488 --> 00:16:32.808 the word ghost because I don't know that these are dead people. It may be possible for a living 152 00:16:32.808 --> 00:16:38.248 person to do the same thing if they just had the power. Yeah. Do you think it could be something else 153 00:16:38.248 --> 00:16:45.048 besides just ghost? Okay. That's interesting. There is something they call astral projection where you 154 00:16:45.048 --> 00:16:51.368 basically mentally leave your body and go somewhere else. And I would think, how would I put that? 155 00:16:51.368 --> 00:16:57.368 I would think somebody who's into the paranormal would be interested in doing that. Yeah. 156 00:16:57.368 --> 00:17:01.928 And possibly messing with a ghost hunter somewhere. Probably. Yeah. 157 00:17:01.928 --> 00:17:10.088 You're going to be interested in that. Would you? All right. Do you believe in ghosts and why? 158 00:17:10.088 --> 00:17:16.568 I think I just answered that. But I don't not believe in ghosts. How's that? 159 00:17:16.568 --> 00:17:22.248 Okay, that's fair. I believe in them. Just because of my, yeah. Just because you've had an experience. 160 00:17:22.248 --> 00:17:29.288 What is your favorite paranormal story? And you can go, sorry. What is your favorite paranormal story? 161 00:17:29.288 --> 00:17:35.768 You've heard. God, there's so many of them on YouTube. There's a ton of them out there. 162 00:17:35.768 --> 00:17:42.968 And there are YouTube channels where they just basically tell stories. And they're not true stories. 163 00:17:42.968 --> 00:17:50.888 Oh, really? So it's hard to differentiate from what's real and what's not. I suppose, yeah. A lot of 164 00:17:50.888 --> 00:18:02.408 YouTube is not an altruistic thing they're doing it for clicks. Yeah. Most of it. So none, no story 165 00:18:02.408 --> 00:18:10.488 stands out to me. Yeah, either for me. Most of the ghost hunting things, it's make that light come on 166 00:18:10.488 --> 00:18:16.808 or make a noise or something. Turn that light on if you're able to see if you can. Yeah. 167 00:18:16.808 --> 00:18:22.168 Yeah. And nothing is very definitive. No, I'm very obscure. I think so people can't come back and say, 168 00:18:22.168 --> 00:18:27.048 hey, look, you did do this or you did say that and make a turn and say, no, that wasn't that exactly. 169 00:18:27.048 --> 00:18:33.208 So it's a way of plausible to an eye ability. So, okay, would you get a joke this week? 170 00:18:33.208 --> 00:18:40.008 Why are ghosts such terrible liars? Why? Because you can see right through them. 171 00:18:40.008 --> 00:18:43.288 That's good. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good, that joke. 172 00:18:43.288 --> 00:18:47.208 There you go. I like that one. Okay, okay. 173 00:18:47.208 --> 00:18:52.648 This was episode 169 of the Baehr And Curadh Podcast. This is Baehr. 174 00:18:52.648 --> 00:18:54.921 And Curadh. Goodbye. Goodbye. 175 00:18:54.921 --> 00:19:02.081 You have been listening to the Baehr and CAradh Podcast, a production of the Land of Awes 176 00:19:02.081 --> 00:19:11.161 Information Services. 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