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 Hello from Bear and Curadh, a podcast from the Land of Awes Information Services.

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 I love you, Curadh.

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 I love you, Baehr.

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 This is episode 170 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast.

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 I'm going to get naked.

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 Oh, you may be.

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 I'm not.

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 I'm getting it.

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 That's why I worded it that way.

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 (laughs)

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 Like everything else.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 We are complete opposites.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Very much so.

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 I have paranormal partners down on the list to talk about first,

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 but there's not much to talk about.

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 Um, you didn't do any of it.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 You didn't go to the one at the museum,

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 and you didn't go to the one at the private residence.

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 Well, we had a work.

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 Don't make it so.

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 So, at the museum, I think the people that were there were a little bit more cognizant

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 of what was going on than the previous time when we went there.

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 People were quiet.

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 Um, in fact, the only one who did all the jibber jabbering was a woman who ran the thing.

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 Oh, 'cause like the first time?

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 There were some spots like, um, I went way back in one corner of their library, and I could

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 Everywhere else, it's a big cage building with concrete walls, and every time anybody says

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 anything, it echoes through the whole place.

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 Well, I'm glad that the people were more cognizant this time, 'cause last time seemed like

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 it was more of a social event than anything else.

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 The members of the group were also gossiping the whole time.

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 I'm glad that happened.

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 The investigation at the private residence, I did not record, I mean, I recorded audio,

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 but I didn't pick up anything, then I also recorded video, and there was a, like, a blue orb

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 in the video that appeared and then disappeared midway through, but, uh, she believes that that

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 We were on that end of the house at the time.

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 So, uh, good, those, you know, tried to say she wants you to come back though, doesn't she?

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 So, I told her to talk to her family back, 'cause there's always somebody there at her house,

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 and in order to do this, she had to tell everyone to not to leave and not come back for an

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 Now, um, onto the subject.

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 The University of Washington's locker rooms became gender-inclusive.

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 You think that's good?

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 I think so, but I read the next one already.

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 I think it's good.

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 I think it's about time, but, uh, you, I got the impression that means there's no more male

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 locker rooms or female locker rooms.

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 It's the wrong one, locker room, male-female, kind of like when we were, uh, pride how they

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 encloser bathrooms, some people are not comfortable with it, so I can't, you know, like, and now's an adult,

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 I'd find with it, but I can't imagine if I was a 12-year-old boy going into a locker room

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 that had adult men and women in it, I think he would freak me out a little bit, thinking

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 What was the name of that movie that had that, um, Starship Troopers?

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 All of the troops showered together in the middle.

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 In a perfect society, it's the way it should be, but you have some perverts out there that,

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 It's like you hear people talking about, uh, these freaks out there that keep talking about

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 but they encloser bathrooms because they think that someone who goes to the progression

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 of changing their gender, does it just so they can go sit next to a girl-washy piece?

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 They're terribly afraid that some guy is going to say, "I'm transgender," just so he can

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 look at naked women, which is ridiculous, which, I'm, it could happen, but it happens now.

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 That's a pervert that came in the work yesterday, and I caught him doing a, there's one girl

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 She turned around and he'd see straight look, read out her ass, and just gave this look, and

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 I just gave him this look back like, "You're a dirty old man," because he's well enough could

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 have been her grandfather, and I'm like, "Yeah, I straight caught him," and I just, the little

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 thing, I just shook my head.

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 He was embarrassing when I decided to smoke the cigarette, when I come back in the store.

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 But I was, yeah, I was just like, ew, just...

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 Yeah, there's been times I've seen men layering women.

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 I'm like, "You're not sitting at home looking at porno, whinkin' your willy, dude.

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 And knock it off, because it's, it's, it's so oogie, it's so, you know.

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 It's, even that's kind of, I mean, there's a way to do it.

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 I mean, everybody, you'll, it's an human nature, you're going to see someone who's attractive

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 and you're going to look at them.

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 You're going to look at sea with her, but don't pack that memory away and fantasize about

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 Don't do it right there while you're walking by them.

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 So, that's why you have a frickin' memory.

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 We kind of, over anybody into the next twin, nudity is not permitted.

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 It doesn't, it's really not a locker room then.

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 I guess it's a locker room to store your stuff, but locker rooms, I guess you could change

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 Just can't get completely naked.

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 You know, so, you show me one person that can work out without getting their underwear wet

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 We didn't have locker rooms because we were out in the environment.

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 I mean, a head-skit center room, you work out a head-skit center, we would change.

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 I can also see you showering with clothes on.

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 I'd never shower with clothes on, what's in my life.

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 The audience doesn't know that every one of these episodes, every record, I'm completely

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 And you're wearing a set of clothes with another set of clothes on top of those.

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 I'm wearing a hazmat suit all the time, right?

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 And though, you're not naked all the time, you would want to be naked all the time, which

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 I don't care if you want to be, you refuse, you just think it makes me uncomfortable, so.

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 Is that a college?

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 And some YMCA facilities are following suit.

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 That's California school, so I can see that.

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 Some of the YMCA locker rooms are not gender inclusive, but they have still band nudity.

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 I can definitely see YMCA saying, no nudity anywhere in our facility.

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 I've never got a dollar in me, out of me some.

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 I don't think a lot of people know that it stands for Young Men's Christian Association.

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 How do they know that they never listen to the song?

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 I don't think those words are in that song.

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 I mean, it's where Young Men can go.

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 You know how to be freaking sure all comes and figure it out.

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 It's sort of odd that Trump wants to use it in his campaign.

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 It's very odd, but he's very odd himself.

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 So, he can look a bag of it.

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 Peter and academic Jacob Becker wrote a piece in the Atlantic about this.

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 For more than a century, Becket writes, "The cultural norm in the United States was that

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 nudity was acceptable, at least within same-sex environments.

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 Over the past couple of decades or so, that idea has largely dissolved."

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 Very true, in the early 20th century, you know, the 1910s and 1920s, men and boys would

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 Yeah, I guess they would have the materials that didn't have the moisture-wicking nylon that

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 Today, the only naked bodies that Americans will likely ever see are those of their own,

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 their partners, or those on a screen.

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 He writes, "Gone are the unvarnished points of physical comparison, the ordinary, unposed

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 You figure out what that means?

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 It means we don't see other men naked anymore.

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 No, no, you don't at all.

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 Well, even if you do, they're not real pictures of men.

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 Yeah, he's saying you can see them on your computer screen, but you won't see them in person.

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 Even though the ones that you see on your computer screen are perfect, they're dolled up and

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 Is that a bad thing?

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 Because it demonizes the body, I think.

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 Don't you?

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 I mean, I'm surprised you haven't enlightened attitude about that.

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 Just because I don't like being naked doesn't mean I want other people not to enjoy being

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 I'm not going to print on someone else's rights, just because I'm not comfortable with it,

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 I mean, there's no harm to foul, so I might as well say that you shouldn't be comfortable

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 The most salient point about what a loss of nudity might do to body image is it's also

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 I feel like I left a point off here.

245
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 You did.

246
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 You said in the past, men and boys would swim naked together at the YMCA and in nature.

247
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 Which is what we said.

248
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 Yeah.

249
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 Anyway.

250
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 But I thought there was a point about that men should be able to see each other naked, just

251
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 common ordinary men so that you would know what an ordinary naked man looks like and not

252
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 compare yourself to poor images.

253
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 Oh yeah, because they have poor.

254
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 There are kids going up now who will never see another naked man unless it's in a porno,

255
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 and they're of course going to compare themselves to those people in the porno's and feel inadequate.

256
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 Well, that's what I did growing up.

257
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 I mean, I saw people on the porno's and I'm like, holy crap, I can't measure up to that.

258
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 So...

259
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 What?

260
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 Didn't your...

261
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 Your father...

262
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 He walked around naked all the time.

263
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 He just said, yeah.

264
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 But I didn't look at him.

265
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 I didn't check his package out.

266
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 I didn't.

267
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 But that was only one man.

268
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 Yeah.

269
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 So, I mean, I didn't know it's a compare or two.

270
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 So, like, how many naked men have you seen that you weren't having sex with?

271
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 Just on just like in the gyms and stuff like that?

272
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 Thousands probably.

273
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 So you did have an opportunity to do that?

274
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 Yeah.

275
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 Yeah, because I mean, I was in the sporting world and you know, I spent time in the locker room.

276
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 I didn't like it.

277
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 I wasn't comfortable there.

278
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 But, you know, I mean, I didn't.

279
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 You know, there's no matter what, you're going to have to spend time there.

280
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 It's just part of the deal.

281
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 You won't have to shower.

282
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 I mean, there were always times where I did shower and stuff like that, but it was super uncomfortable.

283
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 And it was just one of those you could place your focus and you just look at the ground.

284
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 And then, you know what I mean?

285
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 But you have to look up and watch where you're going or you're going to walk in the one

286
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 that said, naked man, that you're too embarrassed to look at has a lot of them walk into.

287
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 Well, all the years in school and gym class, we always showered after gym class.

288
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 And so I saw lots of other naked naked guys.

289
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 And I knew that, you know, my penis wasn't the largest, but it definitely wasn't the smallest.

290
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 That there is a wide variety of penises out there.

291
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 And I think kids now who are going up with just seeing porn are, they're going to feel inadequate.

292
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 And give somebody the smoky and stuff like that.

293
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 Oh, yeah.

294
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 But definitely.

295
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 Which in turn makes them not comfortable being naked and, I just think it, I think that's

296
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 a bad thing.

297
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 Oh, I agree with it.

298
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 I agree with you.

299
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 I think so 100%.

300
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 That's too bad.

301
00:14:40.859 --> 00:14:41.859
 Okay.

302
00:14:41.859 --> 00:14:42.859
 Some of the comments.

303
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 I played football as a teen and we all showered after.

304
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 It was embarrassing and I didn't want to get caught checking out my teammates, but I still

305
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 did.

306
00:14:52.899 --> 00:14:53.899
 Yeah.

307
00:14:53.899 --> 00:14:58.819
 Like, uh, this cute sense that you get about male anatomy, if you ever only see naked bodies

308
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 and porn as you get another stressor for young guys, yeah, that's like how we use that.

309
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 And yeah, I think all of this, you know, it's an issue, there's some people feel.

310
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 So I mean, I mean, I think people have to have some people just don't have open minds about

311
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 it either.

312
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 It's dirty.

313
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 It's dirty.

314
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 The male body, the male or female body is uncomfortable.

315
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 It's something to be covered.

316
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 It's something.

317
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 Well, because it's a lot of the way you're raised to.

318
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 A good example of it is TV.

319
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 It is not okay to see naked people on TV, but it's just fine to watch them get murdered.

320
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 Yeah.

321
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 Yeah.

322
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 You're right.

323
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 And even that's a report now.

324
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 I mean, I watched a movie last night and it was a Mark Walbert movie and he gets killed.

325
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 It's a bad guy.

326
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 And he gets thrown out of the plane, rolls down like that to run away.

327
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 And then they have to slow it into a motion when he gets run over in slow motion by a fire

328
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 truck that's chasing after the plane that's running out of control that he just came out

329
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 of.

330
00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:12.279
 But so they show violence like this and it's just like, I've watched it, I'm like, why was

331
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 that necessary?

332
00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.159
 It was too over the top, but they won't show someone naked.

333
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 Yeah.

334
00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:19.159
 And it seems to be uncomfortable.

335
00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:25.319
 It was like, I didn't need to see that whole him getting run over and the tires and they

336
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 probably did it because it was an effect that they could do.

337
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 Yeah.

338
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 And I wanted to show that they could do that.

339
00:16:30.439 --> 00:16:34.039
 But it made me uncomfortable, but you won't, you can't go see it.

340
00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:42.639
 And between the two subjects, nudity or violence, which one should actually be censored?

341
00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:43.639
 Violence.

342
00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:44.639
 Yeah.

343
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 Too many kids look, it's going on on which it's all right now with all the gun violence amongst

344
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 teenagers.

345
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 It's because these kids think you can shoot someone and it's a game that they're going to come

346
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 back to violence.

347
00:16:55.999 --> 00:16:56.999
 Oh, yeah.

348
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 I remember.

349
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 He's a documentary about an ER.

350
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 And this kid was just absolutely amazed that when he got shot, that it hurt.

351
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 Because he sees people in movies get shot and get up and run.

352
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 And he had no idea that people actually got hurt when they were, when a bullet hit them.

353
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 He's saying this, the kid probably should have died from that bullet because that's just

354
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 survival of the fittest.

355
00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:35.039
 I can see people out there listening to this going, well, TV is not real and you shouldn't

356
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 expect TV to be real.

357
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 People take that to heart.

358
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 They think that what they see is the way the world is and it's not.

359
00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:44.519
 Yeah.

360
00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:45.519
 It's true.

361
00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.519
 Some people think, yeah, that you're right.

362
00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:55.639
 Chicago Flyers, Chicago PD, all the Chicago shows, I think Chicago's really like that.

363
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 And if there's all this drama going on bubbling beneath the surface and most of those people

364
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 are just doing their jobs.

365
00:18:01.399 --> 00:18:02.399
 Yeah.

366
00:18:02.399 --> 00:18:03.399
 Exactly.

367
00:18:03.399 --> 00:18:04.399
 Oh, yeah.

368
00:18:04.399 --> 00:18:06.199
 And it's not as exciting as the TV shows.

369
00:18:06.199 --> 00:18:08.839
 So you talk to any peacock in Chicago.

370
00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:13.679
 It's probably a lot of driving around looking for things that's on top.

371
00:18:13.679 --> 00:18:18.439
 And I've been to Chicago and had an experience with the police officer there.

372
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 When I was young, and he was not a sensitive caring person, crooked, a lot of them are

373
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 crooked.

374
00:18:27.199 --> 00:18:31.039
 I remember we went to the Museum of Natural History.

375
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 I think that's the name of the place there and when we came out, my father saw a cop and

376
00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:41.079
 asked him for directions to probably our hotel.

377
00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:47.239
 And he says something like, do I look like a f-ing map to you?

378
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 In a very derogatory term and I said to my mother, "Mommy, why is that policeman yelling

379
00:18:54.959 --> 00:18:55.959
 at daddy?"

380
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 She says, "He's not.

381
00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.039
 That's just the way they talk."

382
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 He was talking.

383
00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:01.039
 Yeah.

384
00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:04.999
 If that happened to my ex, he was in Newark and he came off the plane and he found a port of

385
00:19:04.999 --> 00:19:08.599
 port authority cop and he tried to, because he was looking to get picked up and he's like,

386
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 "Where's Kate such and such?"

387
00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.519
 And the cop looked at me and he said, "What do I look like a f-ing compass and walk away

388
00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:15.519
 from him?"

389
00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.399
 And I got to love it because I grew up in that area and so I could see the cop actually

390
00:19:19.399 --> 00:19:22.239
 doing it in my ex was a jerk off anyway.

391
00:19:22.239 --> 00:19:25.359
 So I think it was great that it happened to him.

392
00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:26.359
 But yeah.

393
00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:27.359
 But yeah.

394
00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:33.199
 The police officers aren't always at best a customer service and air clothes, I guess.

395
00:19:33.199 --> 00:19:36.879
 But yeah, that's what I'm excited to.

396
00:19:36.879 --> 00:19:41.319
 And they're the ones that are in charge of enforcing nudity laws.

397
00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:42.319
 Yeah.

398
00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:46.599
 If you've ever been to, no, I guess, I don't even need to ask this.

399
00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:49.439
 If you've ever been to a nude beach or something.

400
00:19:49.439 --> 00:19:50.439
 No.

401
00:19:50.439 --> 00:19:51.439
 No.

402
00:19:51.439 --> 00:19:52.439
 Yeah, whatever.

403
00:19:52.439 --> 00:19:53.439
 Yeah.

404
00:19:53.439 --> 00:19:54.439
 No.

405
00:19:54.439 --> 00:19:55.439
 Haha.

406
00:19:55.439 --> 00:19:56.439
 I have lots of times.

407
00:19:56.439 --> 00:19:57.439
 No, I've been.

408
00:19:57.439 --> 00:19:58.439
 Yeah.

409
00:19:58.439 --> 00:19:59.439
 There's a campground.

410
00:19:59.439 --> 00:20:00.439
 Oh, yeah.

411
00:20:00.439 --> 00:20:01.439
 You're here.

412
00:20:01.439 --> 00:20:02.439
 A campground?

413
00:20:02.439 --> 00:20:03.439
 Yeah, campground.

414
00:20:03.439 --> 00:20:04.439
 Um.

415
00:20:04.439 --> 00:20:05.439
 Um.

416
00:20:05.439 --> 00:20:10.359
 Kuma and I would often go to hippie hollow in Austin and visit down there.

417
00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.119
 That's a nude beach also.

418
00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:13.119
 Yeah.

419
00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:19.119
 And it's like recognized by the government, the city that that is a nudist area.

420
00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:20.119
 Oh, okay.

421
00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:21.119
 That's good.

422
00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:27.359
 I think one of the stipulations they got when it was given to them was that it had to be a

423
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:28.359
 nudist area.

424
00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:29.359
 That's good.

425
00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:30.359
 Look at Fred.

426
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:31.359
 I'm good for him.

427
00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:32.359
 Yeah.

428
00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:38.999
 And you, you, you, people will say, well, often the people who want to be naked are

429
00:20:38.999 --> 00:20:41.399
 the ones that you want to see naked.

430
00:20:41.399 --> 00:20:42.399
 Yeah.

431
00:20:42.399 --> 00:20:43.399
 No.

432
00:20:43.399 --> 00:20:50.879
 And I think it's a, it's a great, um, I can't think, I'm struggling to find the right word

433
00:20:50.879 --> 00:20:51.879
 for it.

434
00:20:51.879 --> 00:20:59.559
 Like leveler, when people don't have their fancy clothes on, everybody's the same.

435
00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:00.559
 Yeah.

436
00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:01.559
 Yeah.

437
00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:02.559
 Yeah.

438
00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:03.559
 Yeah.

439
00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:04.559
 All right.

440
00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:05.559
 We all are.

441
00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:06.559
 So.

442
00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:07.559
 All right.

443
00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:13.719
 I think it wrote, rather than finding new ways to conceal ourselves, Americans need to re-imagine

444
00:21:13.719 --> 00:21:18.039
 the naked body, seeing it as a natural fact of human life.

445
00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:19.039
 Hmm.

446
00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:20.039
 I mean, it is.

447
00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:21.039
 It's a part of life.

448
00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:22.039
 It's not going to change.

449
00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.639
 It's not going to be born with clothes on.

450
00:21:25.639 --> 00:21:28.759
 And I think some of those things keep generations.

451
00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:34.559
 I know that my grandparents like being naked, neither one of my parents did.

452
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:35.559
 Yeah.

453
00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:41.639
 I think they just, it was something they wanted to, they wanted to be different than their parents.

454
00:21:41.639 --> 00:21:44.839
 And that probably is the case for you too.

455
00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:45.839
 No.

456
00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:50.119
 Because your father walked around naked and embarrassed you and said he didn't do it.

457
00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:51.119
 Yeah, probably.

458
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.159
 Yeah, I just, I don't see the, I don't see the point in it.

459
00:21:55.159 --> 00:21:56.159
 I don't see the point.

460
00:21:56.159 --> 00:22:00.239
 And I could see your grandparents being fine with being naked.

461
00:22:00.239 --> 00:22:01.239
 Probably.

462
00:22:01.239 --> 00:22:02.239
 Yeah.

463
00:22:02.239 --> 00:22:07.039
 I just honestly, I just don't see the point in it.

464
00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:08.039
 I'm not comfortable.

465
00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:09.039
 I get cold easy.

466
00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:10.039
 I don't, we don't have to keep this house so warm.

467
00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.039
 If I was going to walk around naked.

468
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:12.039
 Yeah.

469
00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:13.039
 Yeah, yeah.

470
00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:14.039
 I'm just not comfortable with it.

471
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.039
 So.

472
00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:16.039
 I'm like, I'm fine.

473
00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.039
 But it's like you being naked.

474
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:18.039
 That's fine.

475
00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.159
 But yeah, just, I'm not comfortable with them.

476
00:22:21.159 --> 00:22:23.479
 That's just the way I feel with them.

477
00:22:23.479 --> 00:22:26.999
 You can't apologize for something that's just, that's how I'm making it.

478
00:22:26.999 --> 00:22:30.279
 I mean, it's just part of my, I just can't help that I'm a big idiot.

479
00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:31.279
 It's just part of my.

480
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:34.839
 So you're basically saying I'm a big idiot because I don't like it.

481
00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.679
 I'm just saying big it could justify being big it's that way.

482
00:22:38.679 --> 00:22:39.679
 Yeah.

483
00:22:39.679 --> 00:22:40.679
 Okay.

484
00:22:40.679 --> 00:22:42.079
 Would you give a joke for us this week?

485
00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:43.079
 Yes, I do.

486
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.679
 How do you know a gay nudist is blind?

487
00:22:45.679 --> 00:22:46.679
 No, I do.

488
00:22:46.679 --> 00:22:47.679
 It's not hard.

489
00:22:47.679 --> 00:22:48.679
 Come on.

490
00:22:48.679 --> 00:22:49.679
 Oh my God.

491
00:22:49.679 --> 00:22:50.679
 Terrible.

492
00:22:50.679 --> 00:22:51.679
 That's terrible.

493
00:22:51.679 --> 00:22:52.679
 It's a good one, but it's terrible.

494
00:22:52.679 --> 00:22:53.679
 All right.

495
00:22:53.679 --> 00:23:05.039
 You crack me up.

496
00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:08.159
 This is episode 170 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast.

497
00:23:08.159 --> 00:23:09.159
 This is Baehr.

498
00:23:09.159 --> 00:23:10.159
 This is Curadh.

499
00:23:10.159 --> 00:23:11.159
 Goodbye.

500
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