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This is episode 170 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast.
I'm going to get naked.
Oh, you may be.
I'm not.
I'm getting it.
That's why I worded it that way.
(laughs)
Like everything else.
Mm-hmm.
We are complete opposites.
Mm-hmm.
Very much so.
I have paranormal partners down on the list to talk about first,
but there's not much to talk about.
Um, you didn't do any of it.
Mm-hmm.
You didn't go to the one at the museum,
and you didn't go to the one at the private residence.
Well, we had a work.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Don't make it so.
So, at the museum, I think the people that were there were a little bit more cognizant
of what was going on than the previous time when we went there.
Okay.
People were quiet.
Okay.
Um, in fact, the only one who did all the jibber jabbering was a woman who ran the thing.
Oh, 'cause like the first time?
Yeah.
There were some spots like, um, I went way back in one corner of their library, and I could
record in silence.
Mm-hmm.
Everywhere else, it's a big cage building with concrete walls, and every time anybody says
anything, it echoes through the whole place.
Yeah.
Well, I'm glad that the people were more cognizant this time, 'cause last time seemed like
it was more of a social event than anything else.
Oh, yeah.
The members of the group were also gossiping the whole time.
Yeah, the whole time.
So, well, that's good.
I'm glad that happened.
The investigation at the private residence, I did not record, I mean, I recorded audio,
but I didn't pick up anything, then I also recorded video, and there was a, like, a blue orb
in the video that appeared and then disappeared midway through, but, uh, she believes that that
was because of a flashlight that I had.
We were on that end of the house at the time.
Oh, okay.
So, uh, good, those, you know, tried to say she wants you to come back though, doesn't she?
Uh, yes.
So, I told her to talk to her family back, 'cause there's always somebody there at her house,
and in order to do this, she had to tell everyone to not to leave and not come back for an
hour.
Okay.
And, um, so, I said, we're going to something with your family first.
Yeah.
Okay.
Oh, that's fair.
Okay.
Now, um, onto the subject.
Okay.
The University of Washington's locker rooms became gender-inclusive.
Good.
You think that's good?
I think so, but I read the next one already.
I think it's good.
I think it's about time, but, uh, you, I got the impression that means there's no more male
locker rooms or female locker rooms.
It's the wrong one, locker room, male-female, kind of like when we were, uh, pride how they
encloser bathrooms, some people are not comfortable with it, so I can't, you know, like, and now's an adult,
I'd find with it, but I can't imagine if I was a 12-year-old boy going into a locker room
that had adult men and women in it, I think he would freak me out a little bit, thinking
of it.
What was the name of that movie that had that, um, Starship Troopers?
Okay.
Yeah.
All of the troops showered together in the middle.
Yeah.
In a perfect society, it's the way it should be, but you have some perverts out there that,
not perverts, but probably not nearly as often as people worry about.
No.
Not near, not nearly.
You know what I mean?
It's like you hear people talking about, uh, these freaks out there that keep talking about
transgender rights, and so I'm not changing gender rights, that are against transgender rights,
but they encloser bathrooms because they think that someone who goes to the progression
of changing their gender, does it just so they can go sit next to a girl-washy piece?
They're terribly afraid that some guy is going to say, "I'm transgender," just so he can
look at naked women, which is ridiculous, which, I'm, it could happen, but it happens now.
But if you want to see naked women, just get on the internet.
Yeah.
That's a pervert that came in the work yesterday, and I caught him doing a, there's one girl
that works with a lone counter with me.
She turned around and he'd see straight look, read out her ass, and just gave this look, and
I just gave him this look back like, "You're a dirty old man," because he's well enough could
have been her grandfather, and I'm like, "Yeah, I straight caught him," and I just, the little
thing, I just shook my head.
He was embarrassing when I decided to smoke the cigarette, when I come back in the store.
But I was, yeah, I was just like, ew, just...
Yeah, there's been times I've seen men layering women.
And you just tell what they're thinking.
Yeah.
I'm like, "You're not sitting at home looking at porno, whinkin' your willy, dude.
It's quiddit."
And knock it off, because it's, it's, it's so oogie, it's so, you know.
However, I've also seen cases where men were oogling over men, and that seemed to be just
fine to me.
Yeah.
I don't have, I don't know.
It's, even that's kind of, I mean, there's a way to do it.
I mean, everybody, you'll, it's an human nature, you're going to see someone who's attractive
and you're going to look at them.
No matter what, you're going to buy them up and down.
Especially if you think they're attractive.
You're going to look at sea with her, but don't pack that memory away and fantasize about
it later.
Don't do it right there while you're walking by them.
Don't pull your dick out.
Exactly.
Don't, yeah.
So, think about it later.
So, that's why you have a frickin' memory.
We kind of, over anybody into the next twin, nudity is not permitted.
Well, and see, this is what I was going to say.
It doesn't, it's really not a locker room then.
I guess it's a locker room to store your stuff, but locker rooms, I guess you could change
your clothes.
Just can't get completely naked.
You can't get naked.
You know, so, you show me one person that can work out without getting their underwear wet
without sweating.
That's why you have locker rooms, so, I guess.
So, did you have that problem when you were in crew?
Like, changing?
Yeah.
We didn't have locker rooms because we were out in the environment.
We didn't, you know what I mean?
We didn't have enough money to have a nice boat house to have locker rooms.
So, you pretty much, I mean, you basically, you find a bathroom somewhere and go change,
you know what I mean?
So, but there was never a locker room.
I mean, a head-skit center room, you work out a head-skit center, we would change.
I didn't feel comfortable.
Yeah.
So, I was one of those people that just wanted to change in a locker room, I'd wait until
I got back in.
I can see that.
Yeah.
I can also see you showering with clothes on.
And I just wanted to shower, I'd wait until, no, I mean, I'd like it home, like it could
set.
I'd never shower with clothes on, what's in my life.
The audience doesn't know that every one of these episodes, every record, I'm completely
naked.
And you're wearing a set of clothes with another set of clothes on top of those.
Yeah, that's how we screw around, too.
No, it's not.
I'm wearing a hazmat suit all the time, right?
God.
And though, you're not naked all the time, you would want to be naked all the time, which
I don't care if you want to be, you refuse, you just think it makes me uncomfortable, so.
But yeah.
UC Davis?
Is that a college?
Yeah, University of California Davis.
And some YMCA facilities are following suit.
That's California school, so I can see that.
And YMCA, that kind of surprises me considering how, Christian now.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm surprised at the million, million, million mom growing up as it made a big thing out
of it.
And, oh, let's do the next one.
Some of the YMCA locker rooms are not gender inclusive, but they have still band nudity.
And I can see that.
I can definitely see YMCA saying, no nudity anywhere in our facility.
Yeah, I can see that too, because that's dirty.
Yeah.
People might have thoughts.
I don't care.
I don't go there.
So, I've never been a member of the YMCA.
I've never got a dollar in me, out of me some.
But, yeah.
I don't think a lot of people know that it stands for Young Men's Christian Association.
How do they know that they never listen to the song?
I don't think those words are in that song.
I don't think they tell you pretty much anything about it.
I mean, it's where Young Men can go.
I mean, it's kind of spells it out for you.
You know how to be freaking sure all comes and figure it out.
It's sort of odd that Trump wants to use it in his campaign.
It's very odd, but he's very odd himself.
So, he can look a bag of it.
So.
Peter and academic Jacob Becker wrote a piece in the Atlantic about this.
For more than a century, Becket writes, "The cultural norm in the United States was that
nudity was acceptable, at least within same-sex environments.
Over the past couple of decades or so, that idea has largely dissolved."
Very true, in the early 20th century, you know, the 1910s and 1920s, men and boys would
swim nude, probably because it was difficult to deal with swimwear.
Probably.
Yeah, I guess they would have the materials that didn't have the moisture-wicking nylon that
we have now, and it wasn't, I think it would be considered weird if you did wear something
when you were swimming.
Yeah, probably back then it was, yeah.
Today, the only naked bodies that Americans will likely ever see are those of their own,
their partners, or those on a screen.
He writes, "Gone are the unvarnished points of physical comparison, the ordinary, unposed
figures of other people."
You figure out what that means?
Yeah.
It means we don't see other men naked anymore.
No, no, you don't at all.
Well, even if you do, they're not real pictures of men.
Yeah, he's saying you can see them on your computer screen, but you won't see them in person.
Yeah, in person.
Yeah.
Even though the ones that you see on your computer screen are perfect, they're dolled up and
they've edited it and, you know, so, yeah, you won't, yeah.
Is that a bad thing?
Probably.
Because it demonizes the body, I think.
Don't you?
Mm-hmm.
I mean, I'm surprised you haven't enlightened attitude about that.
Why?
Just because I don't like being naked doesn't mean I want other people not to enjoy being
naked.
I'm not going to print on someone else's rights, just because I'm not comfortable with it,
especially I had something so trivial as that.
I mean, there's no harm to foul, so I might as well say that you shouldn't be comfortable
when you're in skin.
The most salient point about what a loss of nudity might do to body image is it's also
the most interesting one, and gay readers had plenty to say about it.
I feel like I left a point off here.
You did.
You said in the past, men and boys would swim naked together at the YMCA and in nature.
Which is what we said.
Yeah.
Anyway.
But I thought there was a point about that men should be able to see each other naked, just
common ordinary men so that you would know what an ordinary naked man looks like and not
compare yourself to poor images.
Oh yeah, because they have poor.
There are kids going up now who will never see another naked man unless it's in a porno,
and they're of course going to compare themselves to those people in the porno's and feel inadequate.
Well, that's what I did growing up.
I mean, I saw people on the porno's and I'm like, holy crap, I can't measure up to that.
So...
What?
Didn't your...
Your father...
He walked around naked all the time.
He just said, yeah.
But I didn't look at him.
I didn't check his package out.
I didn't.
But that was only one man.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I didn't know it's a compare or two.
So, like, how many naked men have you seen that you weren't having sex with?
Just on just like in the gyms and stuff like that?
Thousands probably.
So you did have an opportunity to do that?
Yeah.
Yeah, because I mean, I was in the sporting world and you know, I spent time in the locker room.
I didn't like it.
I wasn't comfortable there.
But, you know, I mean, I didn't.
You know, there's no matter what, you're going to have to spend time there.
It's just part of the deal.
You won't have to shower.
I mean, there were always times where I did shower and stuff like that, but it was super uncomfortable.
And it was just one of those you could place your focus and you just look at the ground.
And then, you know what I mean?
But you have to look up and watch where you're going or you're going to walk in the one
that said, naked man, that you're too embarrassed to look at has a lot of them walk into.
Well, all the years in school and gym class, we always showered after gym class.
And so I saw lots of other naked naked guys.
And I knew that, you know, my penis wasn't the largest, but it definitely wasn't the smallest.
That there is a wide variety of penises out there.
And I think kids now who are going up with just seeing porn are, they're going to feel inadequate.
And give somebody the smoky and stuff like that.
Oh, yeah.
But definitely.
Which in turn makes them not comfortable being naked and, I just think it, I think that's
a bad thing.
Oh, I agree with it.
I agree with you.
I think so 100%.
That's too bad.
Okay.
Some of the comments.
I played football as a teen and we all showered after.
It was embarrassing and I didn't want to get caught checking out my teammates, but I still
did.
Yeah.
Like, uh, this cute sense that you get about male anatomy, if you ever only see naked bodies
and porn as you get another stressor for young guys, yeah, that's like how we use that.
And yeah, I think all of this, you know, it's an issue, there's some people feel.
So I mean, I mean, I think people have to have some people just don't have open minds about
it either.
It's dirty.
The male body, the male or female body is uncomfortable.
It's something to be covered.
It's something.
Well, because it's a lot of the way you're raised to.
A good example of it is TV.
It is not okay to see naked people on TV, but it's just fine to watch them get murdered.
Yeah.
You're right.
And even that's a report now.
I mean, I watched a movie last night and it was a Mark Walbert movie and he gets killed.
It's a bad guy.
And he gets thrown out of the plane, rolls down like that to run away.
And then they have to slow it into a motion when he gets run over in slow motion by a fire
truck that's chasing after the plane that's running out of control that he just came out
of.
But so they show violence like this and it's just like, I've watched it, I'm like, why was
that necessary?
It was too over the top, but they won't show someone naked.
Yeah.
And it seems to be uncomfortable.
It was like, I didn't need to see that whole him getting run over and the tires and they
probably did it because it was an effect that they could do.
Yeah.
And I wanted to show that they could do that.
But it made me uncomfortable, but you won't, you can't go see it.
And between the two subjects, nudity or violence, which one should actually be censored?
Violence.
Yeah.
Too many kids look, it's going on on which it's all right now with all the gun violence amongst
teenagers.
It's because these kids think you can shoot someone and it's a game that they're going to come
back to violence.
Oh, yeah.
I remember.
He's a documentary about an ER.
And this kid was just absolutely amazed that when he got shot, that it hurt.
Because he sees people in movies get shot and get up and run.
And he had no idea that people actually got hurt when they were, when a bullet hit them.
He's saying this, the kid probably should have died from that bullet because that's just
survival of the fittest.
I can see people out there listening to this going, well, TV is not real and you shouldn't
expect TV to be real.
People take that to heart.
They think that what they see is the way the world is and it's not.
Yeah.
It's true.
Some people think, yeah, that you're right.
Chicago Flyers, Chicago PD, all the Chicago shows, I think Chicago's really like that.
And if there's all this drama going on bubbling beneath the surface and most of those people
are just doing their jobs.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Oh, yeah.
And it's not as exciting as the TV shows.
So you talk to any peacock in Chicago.
It's probably a lot of driving around looking for things that's on top.
And I've been to Chicago and had an experience with the police officer there.
When I was young, and he was not a sensitive caring person, crooked, a lot of them are
crooked.
I remember we went to the Museum of Natural History.
I think that's the name of the place there and when we came out, my father saw a cop and
asked him for directions to probably our hotel.
And he says something like, do I look like a f-ing map to you?
In a very derogatory term and I said to my mother, "Mommy, why is that policeman yelling
at daddy?"
She says, "He's not.
That's just the way they talk."
He was talking.
Yeah.
If that happened to my ex, he was in Newark and he came off the plane and he found a port of
port authority cop and he tried to, because he was looking to get picked up and he's like,
"Where's Kate such and such?"
And the cop looked at me and he said, "What do I look like a f-ing compass and walk away
from him?"
And I got to love it because I grew up in that area and so I could see the cop actually
doing it in my ex was a jerk off anyway.
So I think it was great that it happened to him.
But yeah.
The police officers aren't always at best a customer service and air clothes, I guess.
But yeah, that's what I'm excited to.
And they're the ones that are in charge of enforcing nudity laws.
Yeah.
If you've ever been to, no, I guess, I don't even need to ask this.
If you've ever been to a nude beach or something.
No.
Yeah, whatever.
Yeah.
No.
Haha.
I have lots of times.
No, I've been.
Yeah.
There's a campground.
Oh, yeah.
You're here.
A campground?
Yeah, campground.
Um.
Kuma and I would often go to hippie hollow in Austin and visit down there.
That's a nude beach also.
Yeah.
And it's like recognized by the government, the city that that is a nudist area.
Oh, okay.
That's good.
I think one of the stipulations they got when it was given to them was that it had to be a
nudist area.
That's good.
Look at Fred.
I'm good for him.
Yeah.
And you, you, you, people will say, well, often the people who want to be naked are
the ones that you want to see naked.
Yeah.
No.
And I think it's a, it's a great, um, I can't think, I'm struggling to find the right word
for it.
Like leveler, when people don't have their fancy clothes on, everybody's the same.
Yeah.
All right.
We all are.
So.
All right.
I think it wrote, rather than finding new ways to conceal ourselves, Americans need to re-imagine
the naked body, seeing it as a natural fact of human life.
Hmm.
I mean, it is.
It's a part of life.
It's not going to change.
It's not going to be born with clothes on.
And I think some of those things keep generations.
I know that my grandparents like being naked, neither one of my parents did.
Yeah.
I think they just, it was something they wanted to, they wanted to be different than their parents.
And that probably is the case for you too.
No.
Because your father walked around naked and embarrassed you and said he didn't do it.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, I just, I don't see the, I don't see the point in it.
I don't see the point.
And I could see your grandparents being fine with being naked.
Probably.
Yeah.
I just honestly, I just don't see the point in it.
I'm not comfortable.
I get cold easy.
I don't, we don't have to keep this house so warm.
If I was going to walk around naked.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just not comfortable with it.
So.
I'm like, I'm fine.
But it's like you being naked.
That's fine.
But yeah, just, I'm not comfortable with them.
That's just the way I feel with them.
You can't apologize for something that's just, that's how I'm making it.
I mean, it's just part of my, I just can't help that I'm a big idiot.
It's just part of my.
So you're basically saying I'm a big idiot because I don't like it.
I'm just saying big it could justify being big it's that way.
Yeah.
Okay.
Would you give a joke for us this week?
Yes, I do.
How do you know a gay nudist is blind?
No, I do.
It's not hard.
Come on.
Oh my God.
Terrible.
That's terrible.
It's a good one, but it's terrible.
All right.
You crack me up.
This is episode 170 of the Baehr and Curadh podcast.
This is Baehr.
This is Curadh.
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