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 Hello from Baehr and Curadh, a podcast from the Land of Awes Information Services.

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 I love you, Curadh.

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 I love you, Baehr.

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 This is episode 172 of the Bear and Kura podcast.

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 We're going to decide who's been naughty and who's been nice.

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 Fun times.

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 This should be fun, I think.

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 It would be more fun for me if I wasn't in such pain.

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 I'm sorry.

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 Do you want me to cut it off?

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 Cut it off?

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 Mm-hmm.

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 No, I think I'll leave it on.

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 I'm sorry you're not feeling well.

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 Judy Garland, American actress and singer.

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 Well, she's been dead for how long?

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 Can she be on the naughty list?

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 I suppose still, yeah.

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 No, I think she's on the good list.

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 She's a gay icon.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 So, she's always got to be on the good list.

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 So not just good, but goody good.

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 Goody good, yeah.

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 Well, she's got the ruby red slippers.

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 Mm.

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 So even though she is a serial killer.

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 Well, her character is.

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 Her character is, yeah.

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 Her character.

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 So many people don't know what that means.

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 Dorothy from Woods and Roads, obviously.

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 People should know that.

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 That's unforgivable if you don't know who that is.

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 But it's a girl who kills and then enlists other people to help her kill again.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Skipping down the yellow brick road.

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 Jodie Foster, a highly acclaimed actress and director.

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 She publicly came out during a Golden Globes acceptance speech in 2013.

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 I didn't know that.

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 That was such a long time.

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 That was such a long time ago.

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 Oh, yeah.

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 But I never recalled even hearing about her doing that on the Golden Globes.

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 Well, nobody needed her to come out.

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 Yeah, she was pretty butch.

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 I want to fight her in a street fight.

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 Better take a knife.

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 No, no, it's your call.

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 I think you just answered it.

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 She's the naughty one.

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 She's the naughty one?

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 Cher, an American singer, and actress.

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 Is that what she is?

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 What do you think?

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 I think we should clone her.

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 Clone her?

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 Are you sure she's not already a clone?

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 Could be.

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 That would be Cher and Cher alike.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Yeah, I mean...

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 She could go either way, I think.

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 So, we'll just say she's...

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 I think she's good, but she wants everybody to think she's been naughty.

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 We can go with that.

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 Neil Patrick Harris, famous for his roles in Dookie Howser, M.D., and How I Met Your Mother.

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 Hmm.

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 I'd say he's on the good list.

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 You can't get more goody-goody.

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 Do you know his husband is a recovering alcoholic?

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 He's been sober for like 12 years.

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 I saw them.

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 They were on The View a few weeks back, and they came out with a book for mocktails and

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 stuff like that, with normal liquor drinks and then mocktails, because I guess it's his

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 lover.

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 His name is David Batista or something like that.

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 I don't think it's Batista, but it's David something.

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 Brenner?

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 Brenner?

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 Something like that.

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 But yeah.

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 And he's a schoolboy.

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 And he's a schoolteacher.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 And he's been sober.

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 Apparently, he did have a problem with alcohol and Neil Patrick Harris.

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 I can see that if you have to deal with kids every day.

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 Yeah, and Neil Patrick Harris still drinks, but they still...

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 You know what I mean?

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 But he says it's fun being the D.D.

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 But, I mean, you're rich and you're in New York City.

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 I'm pretty sure they don't have a D.D.

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 I'm pretty sure they have a driver that takes them everywhere.

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 Everyone who's rich in New York has a driver.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Madonna.

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 American singer, songwriter, and record producer.

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 In case you didn't know who that was.

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 She's a naughty list.

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 She's always been on the naughty list.

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 She wants to be on the naughty list, though.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 That's Madonna.

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 She doesn't...

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 I'll bet she's secretly good and doesn't want anybody to know.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 She doesn't need any money to be on the good list, so she doesn't need anything from Santa.

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 Jim Parsons, best known for his Emmy-winning role as Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory.

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 It's a good thing you said who he is, otherwise I wouldn't know.

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 You don't know Jim, really?

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 Come on, now.

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 Pulling my own good toe.

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 Jim Parsons.

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 I think he's going to have to be on the good list.

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 Yeah, I would say that.

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 I would agree with that.

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 I can't see Sheldon ever being naughty.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Sorry to agree with you.

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 Whitney Elizabeth Houston, an American singer, actress, producer, model, and philanthropist.

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 Was an American singer-actress.

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 I think she's on the naughty list.

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 Sorry, I'm not going to overpass just because she died.

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 So, she's in hell right now.

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 No, no, no, no, no, no.

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 I wouldn't say that.

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 She hasn't been that naughty.

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 No, not that naughty.

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 Yeah, I think she always wanted to be on the naughty list.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Zachary Quinto, known for playing Spock in the Star Trek films and roles in Heroes and

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 American Horror Story.

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 I don't remember him being in American Horror Story, but I probably haven't watched it in

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 Yeah, he was in the earlier shows.

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 He could go either way.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Because he can play a really good bad guy, too.

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 Yeah, he was in another one, too, and I can't think of the name of it, but it's okay.

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 Well, he's probably had a lot of roles because he's an actor.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Yeah, it just stood out, but I can't think of what it was.

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 Well, I can't see Spock ever being bad, so he's got to be on the good list.

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 Britney Spears, an American singer, dancer, and performer who's credited with reviving

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 K-pop and has had a significant cultural impact.

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 Um, when did...

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 Teen Pop die?

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 I didn't know it died, so I'm glad that Britney bought it back.

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 I'm glad that she was there to give it CPR.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 That's a good question.

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 She wants to be on the naughty list.

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 I don't know that she does.

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 You don't think so?

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 Hmm.

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 I think she wants to be on whichever list pays her the most.

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 Well, every one of these people wants to get paid.

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 As opposed to you and me, we just want to get laid.

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 So, um, I don't know.

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 We're up in the air on that one?

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 George Takei, an actor known for playing Sulu in Star Trek and prominent social media figure.

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 This is your call.

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 He's your hero.

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 I think I do follow him on some kind of social media.

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 His husband, I think his name is Brad.

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 I think does the actual social media posting.

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 I think George Takei wants to be good.

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 I agree with that.

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 Kylie Minow?

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 Minow.

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 Minow?

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Like the little fish?

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 Mm-hmm.

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 Known for her disco-infused dance music and camp style.

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 Yeah, she's from Australia.

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 She has style that's camp.

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 I guess.

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 I didn't know what...

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 It says on the sheet there, so it's got to be true.

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 What is camp style?

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 Well, you know what camp is.

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 Um, I think there was a movie called Doctor Strange.

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 It wasn't Doctor Strange.

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 I don't know.

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 Like Batman and Robin.

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 They're chasing bad guys, and somebody raises a flag, and they stop and salute, and then

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 That's camp.

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 Hmm.

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 I don't think she's known for camp, really, but I don't know.

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 Yeah, I don't know.

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 I'm not in her little social circles, so...

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 So, up in the air on that.

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 Elliot Page, known for his Oscar-nominated role in Juno.

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 Is that pronounced Juno or you know?

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 Juno.

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 Well, you know Juno.

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 And for his work on the Umbrella Academy.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 I mentioned most people didn't know he existed until the Umbrella Academy.

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 Oh, Juno.

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 Well, he's going to go...

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 I guess he didn't actually exist until a couple of years ago.

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 Didn't, um...

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 What was his name before it was Elliot?

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 Um, I can't remember.

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 I can't either.

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 I can't...

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 He kept his same last name.

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 He changed his first name.

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 Ellen Page?

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 Ellen.

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 It was Ellen, yeah.

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 Mariah Carey, an American singer, songwriter, record producer, and actress.

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 I don't like her.

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 It's almost like she's on the naughty list.

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 Well, that's fine with me.

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 I don't know who she is.

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 You know who Mariah Carey is.

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 Mm-hmm.

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 All I want for Christmas is you.

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 I don't think that's the right one.

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 Wasn't she a choreographer?

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 That's Paul Abdul.

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 Mariah Carey, you know who she is.

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 You hear her every Christmas.

270
00:08:44.959 --> 00:08:46.059
 Oh, I'm sure.

271
00:08:46.059 --> 00:08:50.799
 Just like most of the hit Christmas songs were written by Jews.

272
00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:53.039
 Oh, that's so funny still.

273
00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:53.639
 Mm-hmm.

274
00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:54.859
 It's all about the money.

275
00:08:54.859 --> 00:08:58.879
 Wentworth Miller, best known for the series Prison Break.

276
00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:08.059
 Miller came out as gay in 2013 by declining an invitation to a Russian film festival in protest of their anti-gay laws.

277
00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:08.999
 Good for him.

278
00:09:08.999 --> 00:09:13.039
 Did the anti-gay stuff in Russia go that far back?

279
00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.139
 As long as Russia's been around, probably.

280
00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:21.259
 Well, but, like, when Putin came to power, I mean, that was part of his campaign.

281
00:09:21.259 --> 00:09:22.599
 Was it anti-gay?

282
00:09:22.599 --> 00:09:32.339
 In theory, it was to, um, I don't know, clean up the country or something, but it ended up being anti-gay.

283
00:09:32.339 --> 00:09:32.999
 Hmm.

284
00:09:32.999 --> 00:09:34.899
 Just another reason not to go to Russia.

285
00:09:34.899 --> 00:09:46.019
 Wentworth Miller, when he was doing Prison, he kind of talked like everyone else, but since he came out, he talks like the campiest gay.

286
00:09:46.019 --> 00:09:47.599
 Oh, really?

287
00:09:47.599 --> 00:09:49.399
 Well, whatever makes him comfortable.

288
00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:50.119
 Hmm.

289
00:09:50.119 --> 00:09:50.899
 Yeah.

290
00:09:50.899 --> 00:09:51.759
 Who am I to judge?

291
00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:53.739
 That makes me wonder, which one is the act?

292
00:09:53.739 --> 00:09:55.419
 Probably the one you see on TV.

293
00:09:55.419 --> 00:09:57.459
 I mean, why would you act feminine?

294
00:09:57.459 --> 00:10:04.299
 The show he was most recently in that I remember was, um, oh, what was the name of that show?

295
00:10:04.299 --> 00:10:07.979
 Um, Legends of Tomorrow or Legends of the Future or whatever.

296
00:10:07.979 --> 00:10:11.759
 Um, yeah, Legends of, yeah, I think you know what you're talking about.

297
00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.519
 And he's definitely camping it up in that show.

298
00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:15.959
 Oh, yeah.

299
00:10:15.999 --> 00:10:16.399
 Yeah.

300
00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:19.719
 Well, it's a superhero movie as a show, isn't it?

301
00:10:19.719 --> 00:10:23.059
 Yeah, and that shows pretty much the definition of camp.

302
00:10:23.059 --> 00:10:23.419
 Yeah.

303
00:10:23.419 --> 00:10:29.339
 So, he's allowed, maybe he's, maybe his acting is on each extreme.

304
00:10:29.339 --> 00:10:30.179
 Mm-hmm.

305
00:10:30.179 --> 00:10:32.059
 Maybe he's actually somewhere in the middle.

306
00:10:32.059 --> 00:10:36.039
 But, uh, does that make him good or, good, uh, naughty or nice?

307
00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:37.279
 I'd say nice.

308
00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:38.579
 You'd say naughty.

309
00:10:38.579 --> 00:10:40.659
 I'd say naughty, you'd say nice.

310
00:10:40.659 --> 00:10:41.099
 Okay.

311
00:10:41.099 --> 00:10:41.479
 Yep.

312
00:10:41.479 --> 00:10:43.639
 Uh, The Golden Girls.

313
00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.939
 Four mature women who live together.

314
00:10:45.979 --> 00:10:50.019
 in Miami and experience the joys and angst of their golden years.

315
00:10:50.019 --> 00:10:53.299
 That is a very good description of that series.

316
00:10:53.299 --> 00:10:53.999
 Mm-hmm.

317
00:10:53.999 --> 00:10:55.439
 No, you can't, they're...

318
00:10:55.439 --> 00:10:57.159
 I think they're both naughty and nice.

319
00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:58.719
 You mean all four of them?

320
00:10:58.719 --> 00:10:59.099
 Mm-hmm.

321
00:10:59.099 --> 00:11:00.679
 Yeah, I would agree.

322
00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:02.139
 Because Blanche is naughty.

323
00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:03.119
 Mm-hmm.

324
00:11:03.119 --> 00:11:07.279
 And I think it's just because Rue McClanahan played it that way.

325
00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:07.479
 Mm-hmm.

326
00:11:07.479 --> 00:11:08.099
 Yeah.

327
00:11:08.099 --> 00:11:09.619
 Yeah, naughty, naughty and nice.

328
00:11:09.619 --> 00:11:11.339
 So, which one did, we decided good or...

329
00:11:11.339 --> 00:11:11.599
 Both.

330
00:11:11.599 --> 00:11:12.839
 Both, okay.

331
00:11:12.839 --> 00:11:15.959
 Ian McKellen, a legendary British actor.

332
00:11:15.959 --> 00:11:22.939
 A British actor famous for roles like Gandalf and Lord of the Rings and Magneto in X-Men.

333
00:11:22.939 --> 00:11:24.659
 Yeah, I'd say naughty.

334
00:11:24.659 --> 00:11:25.639
 He wants to be naughty.

335
00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:28.039
 You see him running around with those young boys in England?

336
00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:29.139
 Mm-hmm.

337
00:11:29.139 --> 00:11:31.579
 He's always, yeah, he's an old man, he's a dirty old man.

338
00:11:31.579 --> 00:11:34.999
 Come on, I'm just being honest.

339
00:11:34.999 --> 00:11:36.759
 Would you agree?

340
00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:38.539
 Yeah, I, I guess.

341
00:11:38.539 --> 00:11:42.679
 I, I don't know anybody even knew who he was before X-Men.

342
00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:43.519
 Hmm.

343
00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:44.219
 Really?

344
00:11:44.219 --> 00:11:45.939
 I don't, he wasn't on my list.

345
00:11:45.939 --> 00:11:46.519
 He wasn't on my radar.

346
00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:47.119
 Hmm.

347
00:11:47.119 --> 00:11:48.179
 Huh.

348
00:11:48.179 --> 00:11:50.599
 He never, never hung around in my place.

349
00:11:50.599 --> 00:11:51.099
 Yeah.

350
00:11:51.099 --> 00:11:53.219
 Well, you're not a young twink.

351
00:11:53.219 --> 00:11:53.659
 Hmm.

352
00:11:53.659 --> 00:11:59.539
 Janet Jackson, an American singer, songwriter, and actress with a significant gay following.

353
00:11:59.539 --> 00:12:00.319
 Hmm.

354
00:12:00.319 --> 00:12:01.959
 Don't really care about her.

355
00:12:01.959 --> 00:12:03.859
 I'm not one of her fans, huh?

356
00:12:03.859 --> 00:12:04.319
 Hmm.

357
00:12:04.319 --> 00:12:09.619
 Well, I think she became more popular after, got her boob shown on the Super Bowl then,

358
00:12:09.619 --> 00:12:10.439
 but...

359
00:12:10.439 --> 00:12:11.039
 Oh, yeah.

360
00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:11.979
 But, yeah.

361
00:12:11.979 --> 00:12:14.499
 Yeah, so she's, she's on the naughty list.

362
00:12:14.499 --> 00:12:14.739
 Mm-hmm.

363
00:12:14.739 --> 00:12:15.919
 She'll always be on the naughty list.

364
00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:16.099
 Yeah.

365
00:12:16.099 --> 00:12:19.619
 Elton John, a global musical legend.

366
00:12:19.619 --> 00:12:21.899
 Is that a good description of Elton John?

367
00:12:21.899 --> 00:12:22.459
 Mm-hmm.

368
00:12:22.459 --> 00:12:23.339
 Okay.

369
00:12:23.339 --> 00:12:24.559
 He's the Don of Game Mafia.

370
00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.019
 He doesn't say anything about Game Mafia on there.

371
00:12:27.019 --> 00:12:27.319
 No.

372
00:12:27.319 --> 00:12:28.479
 But he is the Don.

373
00:12:28.479 --> 00:12:28.979
 Hmm.

374
00:12:28.979 --> 00:12:31.879
 I guess he has to be bad just because he's gay.

375
00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.959
 Okay.

376
00:12:33.959 --> 00:12:36.619
 I'd agree with that.

377
00:12:36.619 --> 00:12:41.699
 And, I don't know, he does kind of have the look like he would pull out a switchblade

378
00:12:41.699 --> 00:12:43.259
 and, and stab you.

379
00:12:43.259 --> 00:12:44.159
 He, yeah.

380
00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:44.459
 You know that?

381
00:12:44.459 --> 00:12:44.699
 Yeah.

382
00:12:44.699 --> 00:12:45.899
 He looks like he could be an alien.

383
00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:48.619
 He'll, he'll, you know, he's, he's prima donna.

384
00:12:48.619 --> 00:12:49.099
 Mm-hmm.

385
00:12:49.099 --> 00:12:49.639
 So.

386
00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.679
 Christina Maria Aguilera.

387
00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:53.239
 Mm-hmm.

388
00:12:53.239 --> 00:12:58.359
 An American singer, songwriter, actress, and television personality, which is the same

389
00:12:58.359 --> 00:13:00.819
 description as half of these people on this list.

390
00:13:00.819 --> 00:13:02.319
 I don't know who that is.

391
00:13:02.319 --> 00:13:03.799
 You would know if you saw her.

392
00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:05.019
 Um...

393
00:13:05.019 --> 00:13:06.679
 Well, I'd know you if I saw you.

394
00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:08.499
 Smart ass.

395
00:13:08.499 --> 00:13:09.819
 Well, you're screwing me.

396
00:13:09.819 --> 00:13:10.519
 I would hope so.

397
00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:10.939
 Hmm.

398
00:13:10.939 --> 00:13:12.819
 Christina, I don't know.

399
00:13:12.819 --> 00:13:13.179
 I...

400
00:13:13.179 --> 00:13:15.019
 So, you have to decide on this one.

401
00:13:15.019 --> 00:13:15.499
 I don't know.

402
00:13:15.499 --> 00:13:15.879
 I'd say she's the Don of Game Mafia.

403
00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:16.459
 I'd say she's naughty.

404
00:13:16.459 --> 00:13:17.799
 She always wanted to be naughty.

405
00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:18.859
 She wanted to be a bad girl.

406
00:13:18.859 --> 00:13:19.519
 Hmm.

407
00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:20.699
 So, I'd say naughty.

408
00:13:20.699 --> 00:13:22.119
 Like Janet Jackson.

409
00:13:22.119 --> 00:13:22.619
 Mm-hmm.

410
00:13:22.619 --> 00:13:23.199
 Okay.

411
00:13:23.199 --> 00:13:26.839
 Freddie Mercury, the late ironic frontman of Queen.

412
00:13:26.839 --> 00:13:27.439
 Iconic.

413
00:13:27.439 --> 00:13:28.199
 Oh, sorry.

414
00:13:28.199 --> 00:13:33.839
 The late iconic frontman of Queen, known for hits like Bohemian Rhapsody.

415
00:13:33.839 --> 00:13:34.599
 Okay.

416
00:13:34.599 --> 00:13:36.819
 I like Freddie Mercury, so I'd say nice.

417
00:13:36.819 --> 00:13:37.619
 He's on the...

418
00:13:37.619 --> 00:13:38.939
 Oh, he's definitely naughty.

419
00:13:38.939 --> 00:13:39.779
 You think so?

420
00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:40.379
 Yeah.

421
00:13:40.379 --> 00:13:42.259
 I bet he's done things with boys.

422
00:13:42.259 --> 00:13:42.959
 Oh, yeah.

423
00:13:42.959 --> 00:13:44.159
 Probably, but still.

424
00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.859
 I still think he's on the nice list.

425
00:13:45.859 --> 00:13:46.959
 Mm-hmm.

426
00:13:46.959 --> 00:13:47.479
 So...

427
00:13:47.479 --> 00:13:49.279
 You don't think he's burning in hell right now?

428
00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.299
 We're all burning in hell, according to somebody, so...

429
00:13:53.299 --> 00:13:54.519
 Who's to say this isn't hell?

430
00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:55.599
 Yeah.

431
00:13:55.599 --> 00:13:58.279
 Maybe we're making up for a previous life here.

432
00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:58.699
 Mm-hmm.

433
00:13:58.699 --> 00:13:59.959
 So...

434
00:13:59.959 --> 00:14:05.419
 Lady Gaga, an American singer, songwriter, and actress known for her versatility and

435
00:14:05.419 --> 00:14:07.039
 image reinventions.

436
00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.299
 A better description of her has never been written.

437
00:14:10.299 --> 00:14:11.039
 Mm-hmm.

438
00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:12.239
 What do you think?

439
00:14:12.239 --> 00:14:15.839
 Although she does want to be on the naughty list, she actually doesn't.

440
00:14:15.839 --> 00:14:18.679
 She actually is naughty, so that's what she is.

441
00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:19.139
 Okay.

442
00:14:19.139 --> 00:14:20.219
 All right.

443
00:14:20.219 --> 00:14:24.839
 Ricky Martin, the king of Latin pop, is a highly visible out-teen...

444
00:14:24.839 --> 00:14:26.159
 Oh.

445
00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:29.939
 ...out-entertainer and a tireless advocate for the gay community.

446
00:14:29.939 --> 00:14:34.819
 I don't think any of that's true, but everybody knows who Ricky Martin is.

447
00:14:34.819 --> 00:14:37.659
 Yeah, I say he's on the good list.

448
00:14:37.659 --> 00:14:39.399
 He's trying to be good anyway.

449
00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:44.939
 Yeah, you wouldn't succeed in the Latin industry if you were a bad boy.

450
00:14:44.939 --> 00:14:45.319
 Yeah.

451
00:14:45.819 --> 00:14:46.179
 I guess.

452
00:14:46.179 --> 00:14:47.039
 Mm-hmm.

453
00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.479
 Diana, Prince of Wales, a member of the British royal family.

454
00:14:51.479 --> 00:14:54.039
 Didn't she sort of marry into the family?

455
00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:55.499
 Yeah, she married Prince Charles.

456
00:14:55.499 --> 00:15:03.599
 She was the first wife of Charles III and mother of princes William and Harry.

457
00:15:03.599 --> 00:15:04.519
 Mm-hmm.

458
00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.979
 I'm sure everybody has her on the nice list.

459
00:15:07.979 --> 00:15:08.579
 Oh, yeah.

460
00:15:08.579 --> 00:15:11.639
 Which probably means she was as naughty as Satan.

461
00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:12.319
 Oh.

462
00:15:12.319 --> 00:15:14.179
 You should say bad.

463
00:15:14.179 --> 00:15:15.479
 Okay.

464
00:15:15.479 --> 00:15:20.519
 Sam Smith, known for soulful vocals and hits like Stay With Me.

465
00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:21.359
 Naughty.

466
00:15:21.359 --> 00:15:24.339
 Probably naughty, but I'm going to put him on the nice list.

467
00:15:24.339 --> 00:15:26.479
 Why would you do that?

468
00:15:26.479 --> 00:15:27.539
 Just think he's nice?

469
00:15:27.539 --> 00:15:30.379
 Because he's so sad.

470
00:15:30.379 --> 00:15:35.779
 He deserves to get something besides coal in his talking.

471
00:15:35.779 --> 00:15:37.139
 Okay.

472
00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:42.479
 Barbra Streisand, an American singer, actress, songwriter, producer, and director.

473
00:15:42.479 --> 00:15:43.419
 Babs.

474
00:15:43.419 --> 00:15:44.219
 Good old Babs.

475
00:15:44.219 --> 00:15:44.679
 Babs.

476
00:15:45.459 --> 00:15:49.339
 The good thing they put director on the end, otherwise she'd be in the same pile as all

477
00:15:49.339 --> 00:15:49.919
 the rest of them.

478
00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:50.459
 Mm-hmm.

479
00:15:50.459 --> 00:15:51.579
 I don't know.

480
00:15:51.579 --> 00:15:59.239
 She has to stay on the nice list just to survive the industry.

481
00:15:59.239 --> 00:15:59.959
 Yeah.

482
00:15:59.959 --> 00:16:00.759
 Okay.

483
00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.099
 Lance Bass, a member of the iconic boy band NSYNC.

484
00:16:04.099 --> 00:16:05.759
 Don't know who that is.

485
00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:06.799
 Yes, you do.

486
00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.979
 You know who all these people are.

487
00:16:08.979 --> 00:16:10.519
 At least never suck my dick.

488
00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:13.139
 Either is Barbra Streisand.

489
00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:14.019
 You know who she is.

490
00:16:14.019 --> 00:16:18.239
 Um, wants to be a bad boy.

491
00:16:18.239 --> 00:16:18.999
 I don't know.

492
00:16:18.999 --> 00:16:19.779
 Yeah.

493
00:16:19.779 --> 00:16:20.759
 I agree with that.

494
00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:22.299
 So, you're going to put him on the naughty list.

495
00:16:22.299 --> 00:16:23.039
 Okay.

496
00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.939
 All the good, all the fun people are on the naughty list.

497
00:16:25.939 --> 00:16:26.399
 Mm-hmm.

498
00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:33.439
 Liza Minnelli, an American actress, singer, and dancer known for her commanding style,

499
00:16:33.439 --> 00:16:38.499
 or sorry, her commanding stage presence and powerful alto singing voice.

500
00:16:38.499 --> 00:16:39.239
 Yeah.

501
00:16:39.239 --> 00:16:40.239
 Naughty.

502
00:16:40.239 --> 00:16:41.059
 Naughty.

503
00:16:41.059 --> 00:16:41.619
 Yeah.

504
00:16:41.619 --> 00:16:43.999
 Anybody who's seen her in any of the movies.

505
00:16:43.999 --> 00:16:45.279
 She's been in those.

506
00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:45.899
 She's naughty.

507
00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:46.499
 Yeah.

508
00:16:46.499 --> 00:16:49.599
 James Baldwin, an American writer, and civil rights activist.

509
00:16:49.599 --> 00:16:51.339
 I have no idea who that is.

510
00:16:51.339 --> 00:16:52.379
 It's a black guy.

511
00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:57.039
 He's going to have to be put in the nice pile, I think.

512
00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:57.139
 Okay.

513
00:16:57.139 --> 00:16:57.799
 Yeah.

514
00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.979
 Lord, or is it Lordy?

515
00:16:59.979 --> 00:17:00.639
 Lord.

516
00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:06.159
 A New England singer, songwriter known for her unconventional style of pop music.

517
00:17:06.159 --> 00:17:06.439
 A New Zealand.

518
00:17:06.439 --> 00:17:08.219
 What did I say?

519
00:17:08.219 --> 00:17:08.819
 New England.

520
00:17:08.819 --> 00:17:09.399
 Oh.

521
00:17:09.399 --> 00:17:10.219
 Okay.

522
00:17:10.219 --> 00:17:13.979
 Lord, a New Zealand singer and dancer known for her unconventional style of pop music.

523
00:17:13.979 --> 00:17:19.959
 A New Zealand singer, songwriter known for her unconventional style of pop music and introspective songwriting.

524
00:17:19.959 --> 00:17:20.839
 Mm-hmm.

525
00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.419
 I don't know who this is.

526
00:17:23.419 --> 00:17:24.879
 It's a song.

527
00:17:24.879 --> 00:17:27.059
 Yeah, I'm not even going to try.

528
00:17:27.059 --> 00:17:29.939
 I'd say she's on the good list.

529
00:17:29.939 --> 00:17:30.779
 Okay.

530
00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:35.339
 I'm trying to think of the song that you would know that she sings, but you still wouldn't know it even if I said it, so.

531
00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:35.619
 Mm-hmm.

532
00:17:35.619 --> 00:17:40.239
 Anderson Cooper, a prominent journalist, and anchor for CNN.

533
00:17:40.239 --> 00:17:41.679
 He's on the nice list.

534
00:17:41.679 --> 00:17:42.199
 It's sick.

535
00:17:42.199 --> 00:17:43.099
 He's so good.

536
00:17:43.099 --> 00:17:43.939
 It's so good.

537
00:17:43.939 --> 00:17:43.959
 It's so good.

538
00:17:43.959 --> 00:17:50.539
 goody tissues it's disgusting yeah, he has to make up for Gloria Steiner yeah Beyonce an American

539
00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:55.839
 singer songwriter actress and businesswoman known for her vocal ability artistic reinventions and

540
00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:03.059
 live performances okay I've heard this name before you know who Beyonce is okay has, she done a

541
00:18:03.059 --> 00:18:09.859
 commercial or something no all the single ladies you have a music on your playlist oh okay didn't

542
00:18:09.859 --> 00:18:15.939
 that was you know the song all the single ladies yeah put put a finger on it yeah that's who that

543
00:18:15.939 --> 00:18:24.419
 is so queen bee I'd say she's on the good list okay Clay Aiken the runner-up on the second season

544
00:18:24.419 --> 00:18:32.339
 of American idol must be very famous if he's the runner-up yeah, it's I don't know I don't care for

545
00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:38.679
 him he could go away anytime so you're not aching for clay no no didn't like him when he was on

546
00:18:38.679 --> 00:18:39.299
 American idol

547
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 you

548
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? so, we don't care if he's on the good list or the bad list okay Ellen DeGeneres a tail blazing

549
00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:54.159
 comedian informal talk show host I'd say she's on the naughty list just because of her no I don't

550
00:18:54.159 --> 00:18:59.759
 know she I'm up in the air on her wasn't she known as the queen of nice or something but then it all

551
00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:04.159
 fell apart when everyone came out and said that she's not as nice as she pretends to be just like

552
00:19:04.159 --> 00:19:09.279
 you and me so I don't know I still like going though I'd say you just have to flip the coin

553
00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:16.799
 on that yeah uh Miley Cyrus I've heard of this person daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus she was an

554
00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:22.559
 established child star before developing a successful entertainment career as an adult

555
00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.999
 wanted to be naughty he's now nice she tried to be naughty for a long time after being Hannah

556
00:19:27.999 --> 00:19:35.519
 Montana okay her role on black mirror I've never seen it wanted to be so naughty didn't work out so um black mirror I've never seen it wanted to be so naughty

557
00:19:37.439 --> 00:19:43.119
 didn't work out so um we can put her on the 90 list yeah, I'd say she used to be naughty I think

558
00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:48.399
 she's on the nice list now okay but I haven't seen black mirror Rosie O'Donnell an actress

559
00:19:48.399 --> 00:19:54.399
 comedian and tv personality she's on the super nice list just because she does pisses Donald Trump off

560
00:19:54.399 --> 00:20:00.239
 I think she's on the super naughty list you think so why that's just what she wants to be

561
00:20:00.239 --> 00:20:05.919
 I put on my good list because she can get any gift she wants because she gets under Donald Trump's skin

562
00:20:05.919 --> 00:20:11.759
 and makes him mad so she moved to Ireland because of him so yeah, we don't have the option to do

563
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:17.519
 that yeah you want to move to Ireland anyway probably not Dolly Parton an American singer

564
00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:23.839
 songwriter actress philanthropist and businesswoman and I don't know I haven't checked

565
00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:30.559
 the paper today she's still alive I don't think she's for this world much longer yeah, you're

566
00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:38.079
 gonna upset a lot of people by saying that I'd say definition of nice yeah there's nothing naughty

567
00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:46.239
 in her anywhere George Michael an English singer songwriter and producer English I thought he was

568
00:20:46.239 --> 00:20:55.279
 um like Iranian well I think he's from Iranian descent but he's English yeah um I'd say he's on

569
00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.799
 the ghost he wanted to be on the bad list for he was on the bad list for a long time didn't he get

570
00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:04.159
 caught in the bathroom and something like that yeah so but he's been dead but that would put him

571
00:21:04.159 --> 00:21:10.719
 on my nice list yeah, it would so we'll put him on the nice list Adam Lambert the runner-up on

572
00:21:10.719 --> 00:21:16.239
 the eighth season of American idol something about runners up I guess put them on the list

573
00:21:16.239 --> 00:21:23.439
 I think I know this guy does he like have dark eye shadow all the time and then he was singing

574
00:21:23.439 --> 00:21:28.159
 for clean he went out and sung for clean for a while you know him, he's on them

575
00:21:28.159 --> 00:21:34.799
 dark eyeliner very flamboyant in fact I'd probably have to see him down on his knees to recognize him

576
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:43.199
 he's really not your type but probably not so naughty yeah Barry Manilow

577
00:21:43.199 --> 00:21:48.799
 beloved singer songwriter who came out as gay in 2017 at the age of 73.

578
00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.679
 and everyone knew since he was 23 that he was gay

579
00:21:51.679 --> 00:21:57.679
 right, I mean yeah so then he's singing gay bathhouse

580
00:21:57.679 --> 00:22:05.919
 with Ben Midler probably yeah and um he and Liberace probably were secret boyfriends yeah

581
00:22:05.919 --> 00:22:11.839
 and uh nobody knew Liberace was gay either yeah like the sun doesn't rise every day

582
00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.839
 surprised he's not on this list he'd be on the naughty list

583
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:24.559
 Tilda Swinton known for playing eccentric and enigmatic characters often working with

584
00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:26.159
 distinctive film directors

585
00:22:26.159 --> 00:22:32.879
 oh, that's a very good description of her every movie she's been in was just like

586
00:22:32.879 --> 00:22:39.359
 her characters like bunkers yeah, I don't know what do you think oh naughty definitely naughty okay

587
00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:44.079
 all right I'd say okay then I agree with that all right well that was quick

588
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.239
 it was I think well maybe not we're coming up on half an hour here oh okay

589
00:22:48.239 --> 00:22:55.279
 so do you have a joke this week yep what we got a man and a woman are alone on an elevator the man

590
00:22:55.279 --> 00:23:02.959
 says excuse me can I smell you're okay the woman says no then it must be your feet

591
00:23:02.959 --> 00:23:15.359
 wow that's bad that's really bad all right this was episode I don't know what 173 172

592
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