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We're going to decide who's been naughty and who's been nice.
Fun times.
This should be fun, I think.
Okay.
It would be more fun for me if I wasn't in such pain.
I'm sorry.
Do you want me to cut it off?
Cut it off?
Mm-hmm.
No, I think I'll leave it on.
Okay.
I'm sorry you're not feeling well.
Judy Garland, American actress and singer.
Well, she's been dead for how long?
Can she be on the naughty list?
I suppose still, yeah.
No, I think she's on the good list.
She's a gay icon.
Mm-hmm.
So, she's always got to be on the good list.
So not just good, but goody good.
Goody good, yeah.
Well, she's got the ruby red slippers.
Mm.
So even though she is a serial killer.
Yes.
Well, her character is.
Her character is, yeah.
Her character.
So many people don't know what that means.
It's...
Dorothy from Woods and Roads, obviously.
People should know that.
That's unforgivable if you don't know who that is.
But it's a girl who kills and then enlists other people to help her kill again.
Mm-hmm.
Skipping down the yellow brick road.
Jodie Foster, a highly acclaimed actress and director.
She publicly came out during a Golden Globes acceptance speech in 2013.
I didn't know that.
That was such a long time.
That was such a long time ago.
Oh, yeah.
But I never recalled even hearing about her doing that on the Golden Globes.
Well, nobody needed her to come out.
Yeah, she was pretty butch.
I want to fight her in a street fight.
Hmm.
Better take a knife.
Yeah.
No, no, it's your call.
I think you just answered it.
She's the naughty one.
She's the naughty one?
Okay.
All right.
Cher, an American singer, and actress.
Is that what she is?
What do you think?
I think we should clone her.
Clone her?
Are you sure she's not already a clone?
Could be.
That would be Cher and Cher alike.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I mean...
She could go either way, I think.
Yeah.
So, we'll just say she's...
I think she's good, but she wants everybody to think she's been naughty.
Okay.
We can go with that.
Neil Patrick Harris, famous for his roles in Dookie Howser, M.D., and How I Met Your Mother.
Hmm.
I'd say he's on the good list.
Yeah.
You can't get more goody-goody.
Do you know his husband is a recovering alcoholic?
He's been sober for like 12 years.
I saw them.
They were on The View a few weeks back, and they came out with a book for mocktails and
stuff like that, with normal liquor drinks and then mocktails, because I guess it's his
lover.
His name is David Batista or something like that.
I don't think it's Batista, but it's David something.
Brenner?
Something like that.
But yeah.
And he's a schoolboy.
And he's a schoolteacher.
Mm-hmm.
And he's been sober.
Apparently, he did have a problem with alcohol and Neil Patrick Harris.
I can see that if you have to deal with kids every day.
Yeah, and Neil Patrick Harris still drinks, but they still...
Hmm.
You know what I mean?
But he says it's fun being the D.D.
But, I mean, you're rich and you're in New York City.
I'm pretty sure they don't have a D.D.
I'm pretty sure they have a driver that takes them everywhere.
They go anyway.
Everyone who's rich in New York has a driver.
Mm-hmm.
Madonna.
American singer, songwriter, and record producer.
In case you didn't know who that was.
She's a naughty list.
She's always been on the naughty list.
She wants to be on the naughty list, though.
Mm-hmm.
That's Madonna.
She doesn't...
It would be...
I'll bet she's secretly good and doesn't want anybody to know.
Mm-hmm.
She doesn't need any money to be on the good list, so she doesn't need anything from Santa.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Jim Parsons, best known for his Emmy-winning role as Sheldon Cooper on The Big Bang Theory.
It's a good thing you said who he is, otherwise I wouldn't know.
You don't know Jim, really?
Come on, now.
Pulling my own good toe.
Jim Parsons.
I think he's going to have to be on the good list.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say that.
I would agree with that.
I can't see Sheldon ever being naughty.
Mm-hmm.
No.
Sorry to agree with you.
Yeah.
Whitney Elizabeth Houston, an American singer, actress, producer, model, and philanthropist.
Was an American singer-actress.
I think she's on the naughty list.
Sorry, I'm not going to overpass just because she died.
Hmm.
So, she's in hell right now.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I wouldn't say that.
She hasn't been that naughty.
No, not that naughty.
Yeah, I think she always wanted to be on the naughty list.
Mm-hmm.
Zachary Quinto, known for playing Spock in the Star Trek films and roles in Heroes and
American Horror Story.
I don't remember him being in American Horror Story, but I probably haven't watched it in
a decade.
Yeah, he was in the earlier shows.
He could go either way.
Mm-hmm.
Because he can play a really good bad guy, too.
Yeah, he was in another one, too, and I can't think of the name of it, but it's okay.
Well, he's probably had a lot of roles because he's an actor.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it just stood out, but I can't think of what it was.
Well, I can't see Spock ever being bad, so he's got to be on the good list.
Okay.
Britney Spears, an American singer, dancer, and performer who's credited with reviving
K-pop and has had a significant cultural impact.
Um, when did...
Teen Pop die?
I didn't know it died, so I'm glad that Britney bought it back.
I'm glad that she was there to give it CPR.
Mm-hmm.
That's a good question.
She wants to be on the naughty list.
I don't know that she does.
You don't think so?
Yeah.
Hmm.
I think she wants to be on whichever list pays her the most.
Well, every one of these people wants to get paid.
Hmm.
As opposed to you and me, we just want to get laid.
Mm-hmm.
Exactly.
So, um, I don't know.
We're up in the air on that one?
Yeah.
George Takei, an actor known for playing Sulu in Star Trek and prominent social media figure.
This is your call.
He's your hero.
I think I do follow him on some kind of social media.
His husband, I think his name is Brad.
Okay.
I think does the actual social media posting.
Okay.
I think George Takei wants to be good.
Okay.
I agree with that.
Kylie Minow?
Minow.
Minow?
Mm-hmm.
Like the little fish?
Mm-hmm.
Known for her disco-infused dance music and camp style.
Yeah, she's from Australia.
She has style that's camp.
I guess.
I didn't know what...
It says on the sheet there, so it's got to be true.
What is camp style?
Well, you know what camp is.
No.
Um, I think there was a movie called Doctor Strange.
Okay.
No, no.
It wasn't Doctor Strange.
I don't know.
Like Batman and Robin.
They're chasing bad guys, and somebody raises a flag, and they stop and salute, and then
they go back to chasing.
That's camp.
Okay.
All right.
Hmm.
I don't think she's known for camp, really, but I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not in her little social circles, so...
No, neither am I, so...
So, up in the air on that.
Yeah.
Elliot Page, known for his Oscar-nominated role in Juno.
Is that pronounced Juno or you know?
Juno.
Well, you know Juno.
And for his work on the Umbrella Academy.
Mm-hmm.
I mentioned most people didn't know he existed until the Umbrella Academy.
Oh, Juno.
Well, he's going to go...
I guess he didn't actually exist until a couple of years ago.
Yeah, yeah.
Didn't, um...
What was his name before it was Elliot?
Um, I can't remember.
I can't either.
I can't...
He kept his same last name.
He changed his first name.
Ellen Page?
Ellen.
It was Ellen, yeah.
Okay.
Mariah Carey, an American singer, songwriter, record producer, and actress.
I don't like her.
It's almost like she's on the naughty list.
Well, that's fine with me.
I don't know who she is.
You know who Mariah Carey is.
Mm-hmm.
All I want for Christmas is you.
I don't think that's the right one.
Wasn't she a choreographer?
That's Paul Abdul.
Oh, okay.
Mariah Carey, you know who she is.
Yeah.
You hear her every Christmas.
Oh, I'm sure.
Just like most of the hit Christmas songs were written by Jews.
Oh, that's so funny still.
Mm-hmm.
It's all about the money.
Wentworth Miller, best known for the series Prison Break.
Miller came out as gay in 2013 by declining an invitation to a Russian film festival in protest of their anti-gay laws.
Good for him.
Did the anti-gay stuff in Russia go that far back?
As long as Russia's been around, probably.
Well, but, like, when Putin came to power, I mean, that was part of his campaign.
Was it anti-gay?
In theory, it was to, um, I don't know, clean up the country or something, but it ended up being anti-gay.
Hmm.
Just another reason not to go to Russia.
Wentworth Miller, when he was doing Prison, he kind of talked like everyone else, but since he came out, he talks like the campiest gay.
Oh, really?
Well, whatever makes him comfortable.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Who am I to judge?
That makes me wonder, which one is the act?
Probably the one you see on TV.
I mean, why would you act feminine?
The show he was most recently in that I remember was, um, oh, what was the name of that show?
Um, Legends of Tomorrow or Legends of the Future or whatever.
Um, yeah, Legends of, yeah, I think you know what you're talking about.
And he's definitely camping it up in that show.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's a superhero movie as a show, isn't it?
Yeah, and that shows pretty much the definition of camp.
Yeah.
So, he's allowed, maybe he's, maybe his acting is on each extreme.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe he's actually somewhere in the middle.
But, uh, does that make him good or, good, uh, naughty or nice?
I'd say nice.
You'd say naughty.
I'd say naughty, you'd say nice.
Okay.
Yep.
Uh, The Golden Girls.
Four mature women who live together.
in Miami and experience the joys and angst of their golden years.
That is a very good description of that series.
Mm-hmm.
No, you can't, they're...
I think they're both naughty and nice.
You mean all four of them?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I would agree.
Because Blanche is naughty.
Mm-hmm.
And I think it's just because Rue McClanahan played it that way.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, naughty, naughty and nice.
So, which one did, we decided good or...
Both.
Both, okay.
Ian McKellen, a legendary British actor.
A British actor famous for roles like Gandalf and Lord of the Rings and Magneto in X-Men.
Yeah, I'd say naughty.
He wants to be naughty.
You see him running around with those young boys in England?
Mm-hmm.
He's always, yeah, he's an old man, he's a dirty old man.
Come on, I'm just being honest.
Would you agree?
Yeah, I, I guess.
I, I don't know anybody even knew who he was before X-Men.
Hmm.
Really?
I don't, he wasn't on my list.
He wasn't on my radar.
Hmm.
Huh.
He never, never hung around in my place.
Yeah.
Well, you're not a young twink.
Hmm.
Janet Jackson, an American singer, songwriter, and actress with a significant gay following.
Hmm.
Don't really care about her.
I'm not one of her fans, huh?
Hmm.
Well, I think she became more popular after, got her boob shown on the Super Bowl then,
but...
Oh, yeah.
But, yeah.
Yeah, so she's, she's on the naughty list.
Mm-hmm.
She'll always be on the naughty list.
Yeah.
Elton John, a global musical legend.
Is that a good description of Elton John?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
He's the Don of Game Mafia.
He doesn't say anything about Game Mafia on there.
No.
But he is the Don.
Hmm.
I guess he has to be bad just because he's gay.
Okay.
I'd agree with that.
And, I don't know, he does kind of have the look like he would pull out a switchblade
and, and stab you.
He, yeah.
You know that?
Yeah.
He looks like he could be an alien.
He'll, he'll, you know, he's, he's prima donna.
Mm-hmm.
So.
Christina Maria Aguilera.
Mm-hmm.
An American singer, songwriter, actress, and television personality, which is the same
description as half of these people on this list.
I don't know who that is.
You would know if you saw her.
Um...
Well, I'd know you if I saw you.
Smart ass.
Well, you're screwing me.
I would hope so.
Hmm.
Christina, I don't know.
I...
So, you have to decide on this one.
I don't know.
I'd say she's the Don of Game Mafia.
I'd say she's naughty.
She always wanted to be naughty.
She wanted to be a bad girl.
Hmm.
So, I'd say naughty.
Like Janet Jackson.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Freddie Mercury, the late ironic frontman of Queen.
Iconic.
Oh, sorry.
The late iconic frontman of Queen, known for hits like Bohemian Rhapsody.
Okay.
I like Freddie Mercury, so I'd say nice.
He's on the...
Oh, he's definitely naughty.
You think so?
Yeah.
I bet he's done things with boys.
Oh, yeah.
Probably, but still.
I still think he's on the nice list.
Mm-hmm.
So...
You don't think he's burning in hell right now?
We're all burning in hell, according to somebody, so...
Who's to say this isn't hell?
Yeah.
Maybe we're making up for a previous life here.
Mm-hmm.
So...
Lady Gaga, an American singer, songwriter, and actress known for her versatility and
image reinventions.
A better description of her has never been written.
Mm-hmm.
What do you think?
Although she does want to be on the naughty list, she actually doesn't.
She actually is naughty, so that's what she is.
Okay.
All right.
Ricky Martin, the king of Latin pop, is a highly visible out-teen...
Oh.
...out-entertainer and a tireless advocate for the gay community.
I don't think any of that's true, but everybody knows who Ricky Martin is.
Yeah, I say he's on the good list.
He's trying to be good anyway.
Yeah, you wouldn't succeed in the Latin industry if you were a bad boy.
Yeah.
I guess.
Mm-hmm.
Diana, Prince of Wales, a member of the British royal family.
Didn't she sort of marry into the family?
Yeah, she married Prince Charles.
She was the first wife of Charles III and mother of princes William and Harry.
Mm-hmm.
I'm sure everybody has her on the nice list.
Oh, yeah.
Which probably means she was as naughty as Satan.
Oh.
You should say bad.
Okay.
Sam Smith, known for soulful vocals and hits like Stay With Me.
Naughty.
Probably naughty, but I'm going to put him on the nice list.
Why would you do that?
Just think he's nice?
Because he's so sad.
He deserves to get something besides coal in his talking.
Okay.
Barbra Streisand, an American singer, actress, songwriter, producer, and director.
Babs.
Good old Babs.
Babs.
The good thing they put director on the end, otherwise she'd be in the same pile as all
the rest of them.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
She has to stay on the nice list just to survive the industry.
Yeah.
Okay.
Lance Bass, a member of the iconic boy band NSYNC.
Don't know who that is.
Yes, you do.
You know who all these people are.
At least never suck my dick.
Either is Barbra Streisand.
You know who she is.
Um, wants to be a bad boy.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I agree with that.
So, you're going to put him on the naughty list.
Okay.
All the good, all the fun people are on the naughty list.
Mm-hmm.
Liza Minnelli, an American actress, singer, and dancer known for her commanding style,
or sorry, her commanding stage presence and powerful alto singing voice.
Yeah.
Naughty.
Yeah.
Anybody who's seen her in any of the movies.
She's been in those.
She's naughty.
Yeah.
James Baldwin, an American writer, and civil rights activist.
I have no idea who that is.
It's a black guy.
He's going to have to be put in the nice pile, I think.
Okay.
Yeah.
Lord, or is it Lordy?
Lord.
A New England singer, songwriter known for her unconventional style of pop music.
A New Zealand.
What did I say?
New England.
Oh.
Okay.
Lord, a New Zealand singer and dancer known for her unconventional style of pop music.
A New Zealand singer, songwriter known for her unconventional style of pop music and introspective songwriting.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know who this is.
It's a song.
Yeah, I'm not even going to try.
I'd say she's on the good list.
Okay.
I'm trying to think of the song that you would know that she sings, but you still wouldn't know it even if I said it, so.
Mm-hmm.
Anderson Cooper, a prominent journalist, and anchor for CNN.
He's on the nice list.
It's sick.
He's so good.
It's so good.
goody tissues it's disgusting yeah, he has to make up for Gloria Steiner yeah Beyonce an American
singer songwriter actress and businesswoman known for her vocal ability artistic reinventions and
live performances okay I've heard this name before you know who Beyonce is okay has, she done a
commercial or something no all the single ladies you have a music on your playlist oh okay didn't
that was you know the song all the single ladies yeah put put a finger on it yeah that's who that
is so queen bee I'd say she's on the good list okay Clay Aiken the runner-up on the second season
of American idol must be very famous if he's the runner-up yeah, it's I don't know I don't care for
him he could go away anytime so you're not aching for clay no no didn't like him when he was on
American idol
you
? so, we don't care if he's on the good list or the bad list okay Ellen DeGeneres a tail blazing
comedian informal talk show host I'd say she's on the naughty list just because of her no I don't
know she I'm up in the air on her wasn't she known as the queen of nice or something but then it all
fell apart when everyone came out and said that she's not as nice as she pretends to be just like
you and me so I don't know I still like going though I'd say you just have to flip the coin
on that yeah uh Miley Cyrus I've heard of this person daughter of Billy Ray Cyrus she was an
established child star before developing a successful entertainment career as an adult
wanted to be naughty he's now nice she tried to be naughty for a long time after being Hannah
Montana okay her role on black mirror I've never seen it wanted to be so naughty didn't work out so um black mirror I've never seen it wanted to be so naughty
didn't work out so um we can put her on the 90 list yeah, I'd say she used to be naughty I think
she's on the nice list now okay but I haven't seen black mirror Rosie O'Donnell an actress
comedian and tv personality she's on the super nice list just because she does pisses Donald Trump off
I think she's on the super naughty list you think so why that's just what she wants to be
I put on my good list because she can get any gift she wants because she gets under Donald Trump's skin
and makes him mad so she moved to Ireland because of him so yeah, we don't have the option to do
that yeah you want to move to Ireland anyway probably not Dolly Parton an American singer
songwriter actress philanthropist and businesswoman and I don't know I haven't checked
the paper today she's still alive I don't think she's for this world much longer yeah, you're
gonna upset a lot of people by saying that I'd say definition of nice yeah there's nothing naughty
in her anywhere George Michael an English singer songwriter and producer English I thought he was
um like Iranian well I think he's from Iranian descent but he's English yeah um I'd say he's on
the ghost he wanted to be on the bad list for he was on the bad list for a long time didn't he get
caught in the bathroom and something like that yeah so but he's been dead but that would put him
on my nice list yeah, it would so we'll put him on the nice list Adam Lambert the runner-up on
the eighth season of American idol something about runners up I guess put them on the list
I think I know this guy does he like have dark eye shadow all the time and then he was singing
for clean he went out and sung for clean for a while you know him, he's on them
dark eyeliner very flamboyant in fact I'd probably have to see him down on his knees to recognize him
he's really not your type but probably not so naughty yeah Barry Manilow
beloved singer songwriter who came out as gay in 2017 at the age of 73.
and everyone knew since he was 23 that he was gay
right, I mean yeah so then he's singing gay bathhouse
with Ben Midler probably yeah and um he and Liberace probably were secret boyfriends yeah
and uh nobody knew Liberace was gay either yeah like the sun doesn't rise every day
surprised he's not on this list he'd be on the naughty list
Tilda Swinton known for playing eccentric and enigmatic characters often working with
distinctive film directors
oh, that's a very good description of her every movie she's been in was just like
her characters like bunkers yeah, I don't know what do you think oh naughty definitely naughty okay
all right I'd say okay then I agree with that all right well that was quick
it was I think well maybe not we're coming up on half an hour here oh okay
so do you have a joke this week yep what we got a man and a woman are alone on an elevator the man
says excuse me can I smell you're okay the woman says no then it must be your feet
wow that's bad that's really bad all right this was episode I don't know what 173 172
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